[Discraft] Scorch

[Tmitch008]

I have a max weight first run that I've been bagging for awhile, and I absolutely love it. I haven't been able to get out and play as much as I used to, but this disc is keeping me close my max distance (450ish) with rusty form. It has a predictable high speed turn and trusty low speed stability. I'm not getting the dumping fade others are experiencing. It's just enough to keep the disc consistent. There have been a few times where I thought "well that's not coming back", and it still just seems to work it's way back left with a sweeping fade.

I just got a stock run. I'm hoping it's not as bad as others are making it sound.

 

[Froth]

Got to throw the (Z) Scorch vs. a champion Mystere today. Scorch is 168g, and the Mystere is 171. I've thrown a couple Mysteres prior, but not recently. Scorch has a good dome. Mystere has a smaller dome, but isn't totally flat.

Results were surprising. The Mystere just kicked the living CRAP out of the Scorch. The Mystere turns a little easier, glides better, holds the turn longer, and fades later and less sharply than the Scorch.

The most damning thing of all was distance. In 15 or so head to head throws, the Mystere beat the Scorch by an average of 25'. It wasn't even close. I'd feel like I was just smashing the Scorch, and it'd wind up WELL short of the Mystere. The Scorch just loses SO much momentum so quickly, and I don't know why. It's like the disc stops going forward and plummets to the ground. All the distance the Scorch loses is late in flight.

Scorch: 11, 5, -2, 3
Mystere: 11, 6, -3, 2


I don't bag either of these discs, but if I picked one it'd be the Mystere. For the flippy, glidey 11 speed slot the Mystere is the better disc... and it isn't close.

Hmmm you have me thinking. You throw Shrykes at all to compare?

 

[Twmccoy]

Hmmm you have me thinking. You throw Shrykes at all to compare?

I've thrown probably 20+ Shrykes. Shrykes a much longer, glidier, and flippier than the Scorch. Not even really a fair comparison.

Scorch is like a Shryke with way more late fade and a lot less distance.

 

[Jolt]

Going to try the stock (but domey) Scorch against my GRACE, Luster SHRYKE, star Wraith and proto Kong this weekend.
I only have a 350tf arm. .

 

[Twmccoy]

Test flight ESP Scorch

Tried a test flight ESP Scorch today. 174g. My other one is first run Z, 168g.

Well, I guess I see what the hype about this mold is now. This ESP Scorch flies a hell of a lot better than the Z. It turns easier, glides better, holds the turn longer, and doesn't fade as hard. At times the ESP Scorch turned too much, and didn't come back. This thing is probably 40' longer than the Z Scorch consistently. Really beautiful hyzerflip Z curves with a lot of side to side motion. 400'ish max distance. Maybe more, I couldn't tell how far everything was flying today.


Test flight ESP Scorch: 11, 6, -3, 2. Very floaty and very flippy. This thing reminded me of a Tern, and is fully capable of long bombing. MUUCCHHH longer than the Z Scorch, and flippier. Reminiscent of a Hades.

I think this was the type of disc Discraft had in mind when they introduced the Scorch. My Z Scorch is nowhere near as good.

 

[Froth]

Tried a test flight ESP Scorch today. 174g. My other one is first run Z, 168g.

Well, I guess I see what the hype about this mold is now. This ESP Scorch flies a hell of a lot better than the Z. It turns easier, glides better, holds the turn longer, and doesn't fade as hard. At times the ESP Scorch turned too much, and didn't come back. This thing is probably 40' longer than the Z Scorch consistently. Really beautiful hyzerflip Z curves with a lot of side to side motion. 400'ish max distance. Maybe more, I couldn't tell how far everything was flying today.


Test flight ESP Scorch: 11, 6, -3, 2. Very floaty and very flippy. This thing reminded me of a Tern, and is fully capable of long bombing. MUUCCHHH longer than the Z Scorch, and flippier. Reminiscent of a Hades.

I think this was the type of disc Discraft had in mind when they introduced the Scorch. My Z Scorch is nowhere near as good.

That gives me hope that the stock run ESP will be similar.

 

[klodkrawler05]

I'm hopeful the stock ESP scorch comes in like that too, would give me a chance to kick the hades out of the bag. I haven't found my first round scorch to be the glideless turd some of the others are reporting. For me it fills in as 1 notch more stable and 1 notch shorter than my Hades. There's a hole at our local course where the play is to go straight as far as possible, then get a healthy fade/skip towards the basket at the end. moving towards the basket at the right time is the key, too early and you're in the rough, too late and you hit the woodline and have an obstructed look at the basket.

My hades usually goes just a little too long and gets caught up in the woodline, the FR z scorch flies a pretty similar flight (on a flatter release) but fades just in front of the woodline instead of in the woodline.

 

[Froth]

Got my stock run ESP in today(175g) and threw it a few times on the course behind my First run Z(174g), the ESP seems to penetrate forward more but has the same amount of turn and fade as my slightly beat-in First run Z, fade is about the same as well so once the ESP beats in a bit I have high hopes for it. Slightly less domey than FR Z but not anywhere close to flat, PLH is identical.

 

[PMantle]

I didn't realize these things have a bead. Will probably season really slowly on my courses, as they are all cushy Bermuda grass on driver holes. Mine has no turn at 350. A little shorter and more stable than my fresher Hades.

 

[Twmccoy]

I didn't realize these things have a bead. Will probably season really slowly on my courses, as they are all cushy Bermuda grass on driver holes. Mine has no turn at 350. A little shorter and more stable than my fresher Hades.

My ESP has a lot of turn at 350'. I'd say it's -3 turn easily. My Z is -1. It'll bend a little at 350', but it comes back quick.

Like most other driver molds, there seems to be a lot of variation with the Scorch.

 

[Twmccoy]

Scorch #3

Tried my 3rd Scorch today. This one is Z, 174g. Prior Scorches I threw were a 168g first run Z, and a 174 test flight ESP.

Today's scorch is not a first run, and it's made of clear Z plastic (first run is opaque and pearly). HUUGGEE dome. One of the domiest drivers I've ever seen, so much so that the disc itself looks deformed.

Good flight. Flies true to the numbers (11, 6, -2, 2). Nice turn, great glide, and not a hugely dumpy fade. This regular Z Scorch sits right between the other two. Less beefy than the first run, but not as flippy as the test flight ESP.

Really long on some shots. When you turn the Scorch over a little it seems to catch some extra air and really soar. I approached 450' a couple times today. One thing.... if you don't throw the Scorch hard enough to flip it, it won't do much of anything. The turn is there, but you need some armspeed to see it. If you fail to turn the Scorch it'll hyzer out and die way early.

IMO, not as long or easy to throw as a Hades. The Hades turns a little easier and fades later and more subtly.

 

[uncle pennybags]

So if you only threw about 300-330, where do you expect the flight numbers to land. I have one of the first production runs (not FR) and thrown flat it doesn't even think of turning. It's all fade all day.

But my Hades flies as intended. :\

 

[klodkrawler05]

So if you only threw about 300-330, where do you expect the flight numbers to land. I have one of the first production runs (not FR) and thrown flat it doesn't even think of turning. It's all fade all day.

But my Hades flies as intended. :\

That's my distance, the first run scorch is the disc I throw when I typically want to go 15-20' shorter than the hades but with a straight ish to fade type of flight. Although as mentioned just above our posts, if you get some turn on it the disc is plenty long and can match the Hades distance (for me) on those throws it's more like a hades that I never worry if it'll come back enough.

 

[Twmccoy]

So if you only threw about 300-330, where do you expect the flight numbers to land. I have one of the first production runs (not FR) and thrown flat it doesn't even think of turning. It's all fade all day.

But my Hades flies as intended. :\

At 330' you'll probably get something like 11, 5, 0, 3 out of a Scorch. They take a pretty good rip to get any turn out of.

My first run will barely turn at 400'+ power. Test run ESP turns the easiest.

 

[Twmccoy]

That's my distance, the first run scorch is the disc I throw when I typically want to go 15-20' shorter than the hades but with a straight ish to fade type of flight. Although as mentioned just above our posts, if you get some turn on it the disc is plenty long and can match the Hades distance (for me) on those throws it's more like a hades that I never worry if it'll come back enough.

For me the Scorch fades more reliably than the Hades. When the Scorch slows down it seems to dump pretty hard. Other than the test run ESP Hades, I never have to worry about them drifting right and not coming back.

On good rips the Scorch is just a little shorter than a Hades. The Scorch would be longer if it had a more gradual late fade.

 

[uncle pennybags]

At 330' you'll probably get something like 11, 5, 0, 3 out of a Scorch. They take a pretty good rip to get any turn out of.

My first run will barely turn at 400'+ power. Test run ESP turns the easiest.

Gotcha! That 11, 5, 0, 3 sounds a lot like what I'm seeing now (maybe more like 3.5-4 glide). I clearly don't have the torque level required to activate the turn!

Still has uses though with it's reliable fade.

 

[Twmccoy]

Gotcha! That 11, 5, 0, 3 sounds a lot like what I'm seeing now (maybe more like 3.5-4 glide). I clearly don't have the torque level required to activate the turn!

Still has uses though with it's reliable fade.

You might try something like a Sapphire. Little less stubborn than the Scorch, and it comes in lighter weights. It'll turn without being flippy.

 

[uncle pennybags]

You might try something like a Sapphire. Little less stubborn than the Scorch, and it comes in lighter weights. It'll turn without being flippy.

I have some, get a bit squirrely sometimes.

Most discs I try are pretty close to flight numbers, this is one that isn't....at least at my power level. It almost seems like the flight numbers are rated for MA1/MPO level of power. Or I just got a dud. Or I just suck at throwing hard.

 

[Twmccoy]

I have some, get a bit squirrely sometimes.

Most discs I try are pretty close to flight numbers, this is one that isn't....at least at my power level. It almost seems like the flight numbers are rated for MA1/MPO level of power. Or I just got a dud. Or I just suck at throwing hard.

Honestly, I feel like most disc numbers seem to be for hard throwers. Something like a star Destroyer isn't going to turn at anything less than 400'.

If you like speed 11 and want a good, flippy bomber, you could also try a Mystere or Mamba. In heavy weights the Mamba isn't as flippy as advertised.

 

[ILUVSMGS18]

Honestly, I feel like most disc numbers seem to be for hard throwers. Something like a star Destroyer isn't going to turn at anything less than 400'.

If you like speed 11 and want a good, flippy bomber, you could also try a Mystere or Mamba. In heavy weights the Mamba isn't as flippy as advertised.

Idk about that Destroyer assessment. It takes at least 450' or some serious beating in to see turn out of a Star Destroyer. I'll have to throw mine again soon and see if I still agree, but from my memory, I don't remember seeing my Destroyers turn much if at all. Could be a nose angle thing too though.