Yes but you NEED to be on a filmed card to be seen as a pro player not just a social media star, , ,can Kona do that in 2022?
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Yes but you NEED to be on a filmed card to be seen as a pro player not just a social media star, , ,can Kona do that in 2022?
And you sound like a fanboy. He was merely pointing out some obvious reasons, that make Kona an attractive piece to their marketing.
It does beg the question....should Henna, Evangalina and Kristin be given stature, without proving they can back it up? IMO, they are the real deal, but until they are on tour, full time, putting in the travel, playing slave to the grind and beating the best in the world, week in and week out, they are unproven. I REALLY hope we get the chance to see. It would certainly elevate the FPO game.
No you don't. Are we going to have this stupid "What's a pro" conversation again?
DD is paying Kona to advertise DD. Period.
Do they want her to win? Absolutely. Do they pay her extra if she does? Yes, she's already said as much.
Once again, these players are paid for MARKETING, not for playing. Playing and winning is a form of marketing, but it's not the only one and it is not the most important.
Now I remember why I stopped coming here for a while.
Sure 100% they are paid for marketing, yes.
And it IS an interesting subject. . . is Ricky that wins alot better at marketing that Simon who does alot of youtube?
No one can really come close to Paul when it comes to selling discs, i dont think Ricky is even close.
And it IS an interesting subject. . . is Ricky that wins alot better at marketing that Simon who does alot of youtube?
No one can really come close to Paul when it comes to selling discs, i dont think Ricky is even close.
spinachd
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For whatever reason Kristin was captivating. She is the only player that has ever caused me to buy a signature disc.
The Kona contract is obviously a big risk. We'll see how it turns out. She will need to putt a lot better.
If they were both signed today, perhaps he would.
Didnt Simon sign a 4y deal just so he could stay in the US, feels like that was a few years ago now.
You have no argument if you have to resort to this kind of nonsense.
In case you didn't know, Kristin Tattar is a woman too, only a more proven female player.
Next....
I gave you plenty of reasons why Kona is more valuable, you chose to ignore them.
Try harder please.
No doubt i am a fan of Kristin Tattar. But there is no denying she is a much better, more proven entity.
I am not sure if you watched the interview. The only reason I bring up Kristin,and it is valid for me to do so, is that Kona's sole justification for asking for money she asked for is that Kristin received it.
So it seems to me that she is piggy backing off of Kristin's contract, and would not have been able to earn that kind of $$ had Kristin not earned it based on past performance. I like Kona and followed her all season and was glad for her success, but it is an unfair comparison. Kristin is the better player.
Kona has a bright future and alot of upside, but that is all it is right now, and DD took a gamble on her.
I would also argue that for players who really consider themselves "fans" of a player, that they are not brand loyal. A lot of people bought Luna's because of Paul. There is also the group of people who like a brand's plastic/molds/stamps/whatever who are brand loyal.
So here's the crux, should the brand loyal people give a **** about what players their brand sponsors?
I have one axiom in life that has gotten me far:
"Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
dehaas
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That's pretty much every professional sport though. Somebody gets a new deal and that becomes the baseline for everybody else moving forward.
I think we all agree right now Tattar is the better player, but Kona probably said I'm worth just as much because I have more social media eyes on me and I play in a much bigger market.
No doubt Paul's latest deal served as the baseline for the one Ricky just signed.
Glad to know you admit your own idiocy.
I agree and don't discount the value of social media. I would be interested to see what formula is used in these types of negotiations, or even if the negotiations are that sophisticated in disc golf. It seems that DD was interested in building their brand and making a splash, so maybe this buzz that is created right now is how they justify spending that money.
I agree to a point about the Paul / Ricky comparisons, but the argument could be made that for the past 4 years they have played on the same level. Ricky has caught up somewhat last 2 years in marketability. Kona has a ton of upside and I hope she succeeds. But right now this deal is a head scratcher to me.
The same could be said for Ricky, in terms of the McBeth contract.
You seem to be working very hard to win the internet. This is a speculation thread, I am happy to let you "win". :thmbup:
Ricky Wysocki - 1054 rated Paul McBeth - 1050
Kristin Tattar - 976 rated Kona Panis - 949 rated
Numbers don't lie. Like you I hope Kristin, Evalina and Henna can play more in the US. It will be fun and make the FPO side of things more exciting.
I have a hard time believing the bolded section, lol. Spoken like a man who entered an argument and realized he ran out of steam. What exactly does winning the internet mean? I never heard that saying. I'm just responding to poor arguments. You don't have any facts to back up your arguments so you are resorting to quasi-insults.
It is only conjecture to see how that translates into $$ or disc sales. Those figures aren't enough to put either of them into the "influencer" category.
Now that they are both playing for the same family of companies, I am sure Lat 64 and Dynamic Discs are ecstatic that this conversation is taking place.
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