Ledgestone 2022

[BogeyNoMore]

Great view of Buhr's DZ throw in from the drone cam.


The only problem with the drone cam is it messes with your depth perception, so you don't get a feel for the height at the apex of the flight. From this view, the fade looks insane, but I bet it "feels" more normal from the tee. Still cool to see the overhead.

 

[nothinbuttree]

Great view of Buhr's DZ throw in from the drone cam.


The only problem with the drone cam is it messes with your depth perception, so you don't get a feel for the height at the apex of the flight. From this view, the fade looks insane, but I bet it "feels" more normal from the tee. Still cool to see the overhead.

Yeah, I was watching that live and thought he was SO O/B. Quite the shock when it actually went in. I do really like that drone view too.

The crazy thing is he still lost a stroke on this hole to Ricky, who birdied. That course has some wicked tough drop zones. The one on the baseball field hole is nasty too. Even trying to layup, some players still get 5's on that one.

 

[flatflip]

I nominate AB for best forehand in the world, since Eagle is no longer throwing one. He had two today that were low, straight for about 400'+, and just money. If he EVER gets a strong mental game, he really could the best, he demonstrated a good woods game this weekend too, and we already know he has elite backhand distance.

I don't think you will get anyone arguing with you in good faith. He was doing it all stinking weekend long.

 

[Jolt]

Kristin really seems to be off the last few holes. I cant help but wonder if her elbow pain is flaring up.

The again...
Northwood black and tree hits go hand in hand. :\

Just the fact that you know that it´s going to hurt makes it hard to throw, , she threw alot more FH than she use to.
And she did throw a few BH low into the ground. . i think the pain was slowing her down and it´s very impressive that she still got 3rd

 

[EllEstar]

I don't think you will get anyone arguing with you in good faith. He was doing it all stinking weekend long.

Idk, I don't have an alternative for best fh but watching him it feels like someone must have a better one. His fh is amazing but he misses his height semi-frequently (like when he threw straight into the dirt on hole 8 in r4) and I don't think I ever saw him hyzerflip or throw a pure hyzer, always flat or flex with an overstable disc.

 

[ru4por]

Just the fact that you know that it´s going to hurt makes it hard to throw, , she threw alot more FH than she use to.
And she did throw a few BH low into the ground. . i think the pain was slowing her down and it´s very impressive that she still got 3rd

Did she do an interview that discussed elbow pain?

 

[Jolt]

Did she do an interview that discussed elbow pain?

I just saw the long instagram post before the tournament. .
And a short interview after one of the rounds, think it was R1

 

[BogeyNoMore]

I just saw the long instagram post before the tournament. .
And a short interview after one of the rounds, think it was R1

She was wearing an elbow sleeve during early part of R1, and during that post round interview, she mentioned something about feeling uncomfortable wearing it. Something along the lines of having to get used to it.

Nonetheless, podium finish, and being within striking distance of a Missy Gannon playing at the top of her game, right up until the last couple of holes, is pretty impressive for someone playing through any sort of elbow issue, and what that does between your ears.

 

[txmxer]

Kristin was definitely not at the top of her game, but still played well over all on a tough courses.

Barella is an interesting player to watch. He can do the most impressive thing on the course followed by some shots that look like rec league. Blasting putts past the basket is one of the areas he regularly costs himself strokes.

 

[txmxer]

Cole Redalen shoots even with 8 birdies and one octuple bogey.

That was painful.

Clean round except hole 13 where it went unexplainably wrong.

 

[Jolt]

Looking at the FPO scores, and Paige played extremely well att Sunset (both rounds over a 1000 rated). . but really bad at Northwood.
Alexis was the opposite. .
Kristin had one good and one bad round at both courses...
Madison and Keiti was the only players in the top 10 to play all rounds over their rating

 

[txmxer]

Oh, and congrats to Ricky. He was solid early and made his day low stress.

Was hoping to see a lot tighter battle, but Rick wasn't going to let that happen.

 

[dmoore1998]

In brutal contrast, to the blatant disregard for the integrity of our sport, by Nikko...Paige Pierce calls herself on failure to demonstrate balance, on a putt. One stroke penalty. Jeff Spring seconds the call. Players on her card did not see the violation. Can he second a call? Paige also says she feels as if a warning to the card is called for, for not watching....she does not seem to warn them. Stroke on Paige.

I thought this had the opportunity to turn into a huge cluster. Thankfully at the end of the day it didn't...even though I'm pretty sure that the whole "can't use video" thing ended up actually using video as people were posting and likely messaging folks that the tree was behind the lie (as in, I don't think several holes later Paige just up and decided the tree was actually behind her lie the entire time of her own volition).

I also thought the "warning to the card" thing was interesting. Could she have warned the card without a 2nd from the card? And would that warning have gone away once she "realized" she didn't actually commit a penalty? It feels like you could certainly be watching, but not pinpoint every little violation.

I also wonder that if someone had seen her touch the tree, and seconded it...if the penalty could be retroactively removed if they both "thought about it" and decided the tree was behind the line?

Mostly though, I thought it highlighted just how tough it is to make calls on opponents with the current setup. So really now you have to be in a position to watch their feet...and on putts in the circle you need to be pretty close to verify which objects might be in potential supporting points and which parts of those objects are behind or in front of the lie. Just imagine the trouble in determining things if Paige hadn't thought about it, touched the tree, picked up her marker, and as she's walking towards the basket 2 people said "I think that's a fault" and being unable to exactly determine it once her marker is up.

 

[krupicka]

I thought this had the opportunity to turn into a huge cluster. Thankfully at the end of the day it didn't...even though I'm pretty sure that the whole "can't use video" thing ended up actually using video as people were posting and likely messaging folks that the tree was behind the lie (as in, I don't think several holes later Paige just up and decided the tree was actually behind her lie the entire time of her own volition).

I can state that video was not used when the situation was brought to my attention by the marshals for a ruling. (I was the rules/scoring TD for the event). I have yet to watch any video of the event as I was a bit busy taking care of a number of other roles. Though I did see that someone did captioned a screenshot of me discussing it with Paul.

 

[Cgkdisc]

No video evidence was needed if the question was posed to Krupicka as a rules clarification something like, "Player putted within C1. After releasing the throw, they grabbed the back part of a tree trunk which was located behind their lie. The player called what they thought was a penalty. Was it actually a penalty for doing so?" Krupicka answers something like, "No penalty even though they may have grabbed it to retain balance because that part of the trunk was behind their lie."

 

[dmoore1998]

I can state that video was not used when the situation was brought to my attention by the marshals for a ruling. (I was the rules/scoring TD for the event). I have yet to watch any video of the event as I was a bit busy taking care of a number of other roles. Though I did see that someone did captioned a screenshot of me discussing it with Paul.

I was thinking more likely to be someone at home watching, posting something, then someone in the crowd (or caddie, or text message to someone on the card, etc) saying "hey wasn't that tree behind your lie though?".

I didn't think it was anything official...more like video being seen, then word spread through the grapevine to make people reconsider what had happened.

 

[dmoore1998]

No video evidence was needed if the question was posed to Krupicka as a rules clarification something like, "Player putted within C1. After releasing the throw, they grabbed the back part of a tree trunk which was located behind their lie. The player called what they thought was a penalty. Was it actually a penalty for doing so?" Krupicka answers something like, "No penalty even though they may have grabbed it to retain balance because that part of the trunk was behind their lie."

Right, my point is that I didn't hear/see anyone mention "the tree was behind the lie" until several holes later. And it happened right after multiple social media threads discussing how the tree was behind the lie and probably shouldn't be a penalty.

I'm sure video wasn't reviewed by anyone official to determine a ruling...it's just one of those "you can't unhear something you've heard". At least to me, it seemed pretty clear that someone somewhere said something...almost definitely based on having seen the video...which then led to the 2nd discussion of the tree's location.

It seems pretty unlikely that holes later Paige or anyone else just suddenly remembered the backside of the tree was just behind the lie (particularly given how close it was to the lie). I'm not sure anyone did anything wrong, more just a commentary on how "no video review" can still bring video into play because it isn't exactly a closed environment. Also just curiosity on my part as to when/if you can "remember" that it wasn't a violation...as in was the problem the marshal's second...or if the card had all seen it initially could then all then rescind the 2nd/vote if they also all remembered the tree was behind the lie and acknowledged they simply misapplied a rule.

 

[2naphish]

Turns out, he cannot. With the lack of second on the call and some question, as to where the tree she touched for balance, was located...the call is not made and no penalty.

this is interesting. i thought (incorrectly it seems ) that an official WITNESSING a stance violation could make a call or second. perhaps something changed (or more likely) i have been playing with a misconception of the rules on my part.

who says you can't teach an old dog?

 

[_MTL_]

Jeff Spring is a tournament official at all ES events and was granted the same status by the PDGA at Champions Cup, and European Open. Should he attend worlds and other majors, no reason he wouldn't get that same designation.

Any tournament official can make a call that requires a second without a second and can second any call by a player that requires a second.

The reason this penalty wasn't applied, as Chuck said above, is the action simply was not a penalty nor illegal.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Here's one of the earlier situations where video evidence was used indirectly but legally to confirm a call. It was at the Memorial when the video team discovered that Ricky was scored incorrectly on a hole where he had an OB stroke. The video team informed the Tournament officials. They did not use the video evidence directly to correct the score but one of them gathered Ricky's group together and they verbally replayed the hole in question, I believe without knowing why. They confirmed that Ricky's reported score was incorrect, and it was corrected without directly using video evidence. I'm thinking this procedure has been followed a few more times since then.