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OTB Lawsuit Predictions

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I can empathize. I once stated stated that 2+2=5, and concluded that everyone who did not prove me wrong, obviously agreed with me. The world took little notice, and continued to believe the establishment "mathematicians". Sigh.


In other words, I also can not find anything that is incorrect but I'll make a semi-clever post that looks like it is, because that's the best I can do.

At least you didn't compare me to Satan this time.
 
I understand, and I don't fault anyone for following their heart, and doing what they need to by their conscience in that regard. It's just something I remind everyone I hear wanting to walk away about, because it honestly hasn't crossed a few of their minds, and that's been the deciding factor in renewing for them.

I prefer to vote with my $$.

I am not a fan of the PDGA for completely different reasons, and prefer not to throw good money after bad. Besides your solution won't solve the issue you have with the DGPT.

I suspect that you are simply encouraging people to throw more money into the PDGA coffers so that they have a bigger fund to pay their attorneys. Your 36 people aren't enough to tip the number of voters in your favor.
 
Who am I to question the supreme disc golf authority?

All I'm saying is if you can prove your case with facts, rather than resorting to having the moderators ban anyone who disagrees with you or have them delete any posts that point out some of your threatening or incendiary language, you'd do a lot better convincing people to support your cause.

It's not a debate if posters that don't tow the DGCR line are silenced.

Like MLK said, "Hate can not drive out hate; only love can do that."
 
In other words, I also can not find anything that is incorrect but I'll make a semi-clever post that looks like it is, because that's the best I can do.

At least you didn't compare me to Satan this time.

"Semi-clever" is the nicest thing anybody's said about me today. But it's still early, though there's hope.

I'm inclined to think that straw men shouldn't be associated with fire & brimstone, but I'm only semi-clever, so probably wrong about that, too.
 
I was wondering what Bobby Riggs has to do with the OTB Lawsuit, but perhaps "...an assistant golf pro at a Florida country club, says he overheard two infamous mobsters..." goes to the standard of evidence question.
 
All I'm saying is if you can prove your case with facts, rather than resorting to having the moderators ban anyone who disagrees with you or have them delete any posts that point out some of your threatening or incendiary language, you'd do a lot better convincing people to support your cause.

It's not a debate if posters that don't tow the DGCR line are silenced.

Like MLK said, "Hate can not drive out hate; only love can do that."

I have, on literally hundreds of occasions on these forums, proven my case with facts. The only time the moderators have removed posts or banned someone is when they were using hate speech.

If you think hate speech directed at them is something anyone should be forced to endure, you're not worth my effort to teach, and I don't care one whit if you don't like that, nor do I owe you any attempts to do so.
 
I have, on literally hundreds of occasions on these forums, proven my case with facts. The only time the moderators have removed posts or banned someone is when they were using hate speech.

If you think hate speech directed at them is something anyone should be forced to endure, you're not worth my effort to teach, and I don't care one whit if you don't like that, nor do I owe you any attempts to do so.

There is a reason people stick to the trite absurd arguments, rather than do something like read your article to find a point of disagreement to discuss.
 
There is a reason people stick to the trite absurd arguments, rather than do something like read your article to find a point of disagreement to discuss.

The privileged often feign persecution, to avoid accepting they may be wrong, or that their words and actions have harmful effects on those worse off than themselves...
 
By that logic, you're implying you want people known to be bad on the board. That's the only way that can be read, when my suggestion was just getting bad people out. Why wouldn't you want just good people on the board? People who will make the right decision, whatever it may be, because it's the right decision - not ones who will make it based on prejudices or religious zealotry. Why wouldn't that be a good thing?

No, I was calling you out for labeling people as "bad" when they don't share your viewpoint.
 
I have, on literally hundreds of occasions on these forums, proven my case with facts. The only time the moderators have removed posts or banned someone is when they were using hate speech.

If you think hate speech directed at them is something anyone should be forced to endure, you're not worth my effort to teach, and I don't care one whit if you don't like that, nor do I owe you any attempts to do so.

Just in the last three days the moderators have removed at least ten posts in this very thread from not only me but others (some that agree with you even), none of which were using hate speech. I know you saw these posts…and we all know if any of these posts contained hate speech someone would have received a warning, or been banned. So your claim about that is provably incorrect.

Do you think the hate speech constantly directed at Heinold is okay, just because he's privileged?
 
Just in the last three days the moderators have removed at least ten posts in this very thread from not only me but others (some that agree with you even), none of which were using hate speech. I know you saw these posts…and we all know if any of these posts contained hate speech someone would have received a warning, or been banned. So your claim about that is provably incorrect.

Do you think the hate speech constantly directed at Heinold is okay, just because he's privileged?

Actually, I probably didn't see most of them. I reported two for hate speech, when that guy was going off the rails getting more and more aggressive with it after he had it pointed out that the words he was using are, in fact, hate speech. He was warned, and he continued and he is banned now by no request of mine. The rest, I came to post quotes notifications of "Posts deleted", and never saw them.

Nate Heinhold is consistently called a bigot, and a religious zealot. He has openly, publicly, and repeatedly spoken hate towards the LGBTQIA+ community, calling us sinners, and saying he is disgusted by us. Given his behavior, neither appellation applied to him is incorrect, unjust, or unearned. If you feel his behavior is acceptable at any position, no less the head of the board of directors of the PDGA, that says more about you than it ever will anyone who's called him one of those things. You should ask yourself why it is that you feel the need to defend him.
 
No, I was calling you out for labeling people as "bad" when they don't share your viewpoint.

You've repeatedly ignored me pointing out that I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, and you've repeatedly ignored me actively engaging in productive discussion with people who disagree with me. When I say someone is "bad", it's because they're using hate speech (which Heinhold does), or acting in a prejudiced or discriminatory manner (which several men on the board do).

Why is it you feel those aren't the actions of bad people? What does that say about you?
 
In other words, we can't find anything in the post that isn't true, so we'll have to resort to personal attacks and having the moderators delete the posts that don't fit our agenda.

nar·cis·sist
[ˈnärsəsəst]
NOUN
a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves
 
Bad actions do not necessarily mean that a person is irredeemable. Keeping the door open even a crack keeps the possibility of finding a middle ground alive.
 
You should ask yourself why it is that you feel the need to defend him.

Could you show me when I defended him?

I appreciate the rest of your explanation about Heinold but don't accuse me of things I haven't done.
 
nar·cis·sist
[ˈnärsəsəst]
NOUN
a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves


More hate speech that goes unpunished. It's very tiresome that all you have to offer is ad hominem attacks. It's unfortunate that you can't see how you weaken your case with personal attacks.
 
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