Gran Canyon Lawsuit

[txmxer]

Might be a dumb question, but if this was a sanctioned event why isn't it being handled through the pdga insurance?

I wondered the same. I've never been involved in a lawsuit, but I assume you don't sue the insurance company, you see the individuals and the insurance company represents them.

 

[oddjob]

If this dip**** wins, I hope he uses the money to visit the titanic in a submarine.

 

[Nova P]

If this dip**** wins, I hope he uses the money to visit the titanic in a submarine.

I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

(I'll see myself out.)

 

[MikeK]

Might be a dumb question, but if this was a sanctioned event why isn't it being handled through the pdga insurance?

Sun King, the TD, said on his FB page that Trevor "refused to operate through the proper insurance channels provided by the PDGA".

 

[DavidSauls]

Nevermind. Mike beat me to it.

 

[dehaas]

Sun King, the TD, said on his FB page that Trevor "refused to operate through the proper insurance channels provided by the PDGA".

To me that translates to: knew the insurance company would shoot down whatever he's claiming so he's going directly after the property owners for some out of court settlement shakedown money.

 

[thrembo]

 

[gwsmallwood]

I believe he got hit in the head.

Well, obviously he must have been hit in the head. His mental faculties are certainly suspect if even half of the rumors surrounding this are true.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Prior to McBeth's game changing 2019 contract, I doubt this lawsuit even happens.

But given DG's post covid boom, the 10 yr contract McBeth signed with Discraft in 2021, plus the fact that Dylan Cease has fairly deep pockets as well...

Can you blame this cat for positioning himself to get a little bigger piece of DG's bigger, richer pie?


Kidding aside, I honestly don't know squat about what happened (and still wouldn't if not for this thread), but something about this don't pass the sniff test.

Would love to know what happens to his sales figures going forward.

 

[PastorofMuppets]

It wouldn't be a stretch to me that his intent is not to win the lawsuit (which appears to be completely dead on arrival). But instead to get the course temporarily closed and shut down an event occurring there (Sun King/Millennium Discs Independence Day Clash) that is coming up. The motives for that I can't speak to as all I have seen is rumors in comments sections. But it appears like a quick money grab (hoping Paul and Dylan would settle quickly out of court) to keep Gran Canyon open for this event, or if they don't settle, force the event to scramble for a new location only 2 weeks out. Wonder if he has a vendetta against the local disc community, the TD Michael Barnett, or the presenting sponsors and is shielding that by suing Paul?

 

[txmxer]

Prior to McBeth's game changing 2019 contract, I doubt this lawsuit even happens.

But given DG's post covid boom, the 10 yr contract McBeth signed with Discraft in 2021, plus the fact that Dylan Cease has fairly deep pockets as well...

Can you blame this cat for positioning himself to get a little bigger piece of DG's bigger, richer pie?


Kidding aside, I honestly don't know squat about what happened (and still wouldn't if not for this thread), but something about this don't pass the sniff test.

Would love to know what happens to his sales figures going forward.

Maybe but Cease has extra deep pockets.

 

[txmxer]

So why does a lawsuit impact the upcoming event?

Specifically why would this lawsuit cause them to shut it down?

Is it if they change something about the event for safety reasons it would be evidence supporting the claim?

 

[BionicRib]

The td for the event posted a lengthly explanation on the book of faces if anybody wants more insight…..

 

[BillFleming]

So why does a lawsuit impact the upcoming event?

Specifically why would this lawsuit cause them to shut it down?

Is it if they change something about the event for safety reasons it would be evidence supporting the claim?

If it is a public course owned by the city or something similar, they will be concerned about the lawsuit and possibly being dragged into it. Or being sued if they allow it to stay open and someone else, or the same person gets hurt.

Here in Arizona, Spinners on the Green hosts the Shelly Sharpe and Memorial at Vista del Camino in Scottsdale. That course/park is owned and controlled by the city of Scottsdale. One year, between the Shelly Sharpe and the Memorial, a park user got hit by a disc from a player practicing for the Memorial. The city shut down that hole and forced Spinners to change the course due to closing down that hole. It's a hole that is part of the "daily" course (hole 9) and was used for the Shelly Sharpe that year and, in previous years for both the Shelly Sharpe and Memorial. But because on one injury, just before the Memorial, the city shut down that hole. After the Memorial? The hole went back into use and is still used. But for that short period of time, the hole had to be closed. They could have shut down the entire event (Memorial), but they chose the option of just closing down that one hole for the tournament.

I'm guessing it is something similar with this tournament, but they went the more drastic route since there is a pending lawsuit.

 

[Countchunkula]

If it is a public course owned by the city or something similar, they will be concerned about the lawsuit and possibly being dragged into it. Or being sued if they allow it to stay open and someone else, or the same person gets hurt.

Here in Arizona, Spinners on the Green hosts the Shelly Sharpe and Memorial at Vista del Camino in Scottsdale. That course/park is owned and controlled by the city of Scottsdale. One year, between the Shelly Sharpe and the Memorial, a park user got hit by a disc from a player practicing for the Memorial. The city shut down that hole and forced Spinners to change the course due to closing down that hole. It's a hole that is part of the "daily" course (hole 9) and was used for the Shelly Sharpe that year and, in previous years for both the Shelly Sharpe and Memorial. But because on one injury, just before the Memorial, the city shut down that hole. After the Memorial? The hole went back into use and is still used. But for that short period of time, the hole had to be closed. They could have shut down the entire event (Memorial), but they chose the option of just closing down that one hole for the tournament.

I'm guessing it is something similar with this tournament, but they went the more drastic route since there is a pending lawsuit.

This is private land.

 

[redflyer717]

If you go to the reviews on Google for Local Route where Trevor is the owner, you'll find this gem from none other than DGCR fan favorite Nikko Locastro: (sorry I am unable to post the link or screenshot directly to this antiquated forum)

"I would highly recommend staying away from this store location. The owner of the company Trevor is notorious for ripping people off in the disc golf community. He stole 58,000 worth of discs from Clash Discs and refused to pay his bill for 5,800 products sent to the store location. This business owner and Mason Bailey sold these discs at wholesale and retail and kept the money for theirselves. Local Route also directly ripped me off of a sponsorship deal still owes me over $2,500. Trevor the owner also stole discs from Kastaplast and refused to pay his bill with this company as well for over $30,000. These are known facts not accusations. The owner of this business is truly a thief and I wouldn't support anything he's involved in ever again. The truth needs to be known to the disc golf world. Trevor Toenjes is a thief and a liar, He's currently getting sued by multiple companies right now for stealing products without paying his dept then using that stolen money to reinvest in other products."

If this adds anything, too, this review was posted 9 months ago on Google. So, nothing similar to how people often bad review places that come into the news for something bad (if that makes any sense, although from the looks of it people are doing that now and I doubt any of those people have interacted with him or the store personally.). Clearly this guy has some personal issues he needs to sort out to be a better person.

 

[DanJon]

I would like to know more myself. I just heard about this yesterday on Iceberg TV.

Regardless, a lawsuit for getting hit by a disc at a disc golf tournament? In the most extreme circumstance, I could see and understand asking for medical bills to be paid. To seek blanket compensation of 50k sounds like greed.

I do not agree with this lawsuit, as he should be suing the PDGA.

For reference, the PDGA never paid for my medical bills when I was hit spotting at a major tournament.

I submitted all necessary paperwork and did everything they asked.

This was also after Brian Graham, the PDGA Executive Director at the time, pulled me aside after the tournament and said that my bills would be taken care of.

So if he actually does have medical bills he should be suing the PDGA.

I should have, but of course was concerned about the up front cost on my end as I was young and dumb.

 

[txmxer]

To be fair, I don't know the appropriate pathway for a lawsuit like this. I would assume you start out by working with the insurer first, which is what happens in a car accident.

 

[biscoe]

I do not agree with this lawsuit, as he should be suing the PDGA.

For reference, the PDGA never paid for my medical bills when I was hit spotting at a major tournament.

I submitted all necessary paperwork and did everything they asked.

This was also after Brian Graham, the PDGA Executive Director at the time, pulled me aside after the tournament and said that my bills would be taken care of.

So if he actually does have medical bills he should be suing the PDGA.

I should have, but of course was concerned about the up front cost on my end as I was young and dumb.

Weird- the PDGA insurance policy should have had you covered given that it functions as it does now.

 

[coupe]

Weird- the PDGA insurance policy should have had you covered given that it functions as it does now.

The devil, as they say, is in the details.

PDGA Tour Insurance Policy

This insurance covers:

PDGA staff, event volunteers, and registered players. Spectators, vendors, or other parties not previously mentioned are not covered.

General Liability coverage maintained by the PDGA can include [Note: not "includes"; "can include." IOW, medical and property damage might be riders (add-ons) that need to be added (at additional cost, of course) if you want them covered] medical costs for injuries and property damage sustained on tournament grounds during sanctioned play and activities that directly support sanctioned play. This can include [note again, "can include"] player meetings, award ceremonies, or other activities required to properly run the competition [which might mean that side events like ring of fire, distance comp, ace pot throw offs, etc., or a mass case of food poisoning from a provided lunch, aren't covered.]

The PDGA Accidental Insurance policy coverage at sanctioned events is secondary to insurance coverage that the participants, events, and/or property owners may already carry. That means it could reimburse deductibles and co-pays and any expenses not covered by the participant's, event's, and/or property owner's primary policy.

Filing a Claim
Contact the PDGA at [email protected] to begin the process. Claimants will be asked to complete an insurance claim form that includes the following: details about the injury or property damage and how it occurred, cost of medical treatment or repairs, and whether other insurance coverage was already in place that covers the reported incident. The insurance adjuster then reviews the claim and awards the appropriate payout.

Sounds like if you have health insurance and you're injured at an event you need to lie if you want a chance of being even partially reimbursed. :thmbdown: