Is it just me or...

[biscoe]

My practice partner for this shot...

 

[ChrisWoj]

That is pretty much it for me although I aim a little higher. As much like throwing a frisbee as a golf disc.

Same for me as well. I've played "catch" with a warm up disc which happens to be the same mold I use for my approach shots and practice repeatedly hitting my throwing partner in the chest with floaty soft controlled shots from varying distances. We usually stretch it out to 200 ft. Transfers well to the course via muscle memory and I play "catch" with the basket. Although as a lefty, I aim top of the left side of the tray rather than bottom right side but its whatever works for anyone who wants to create a repeatable common aim point and approach throw. I get a lot more throw ins, metal hits, and generally 10 footers or less this way than back when I was actually trying to "park" baskets, which is weird that trying to make it with a soft run works out better.

The rationale that Val used was "if I miss early, there's a good chance it goes in, if I miss late it'll sink into the ground near the basket."

 

[ru4por]

For me 100 feet is pretty much always stall a flippy putter (PA4) near the basket and hope it goes in.

One reason this has always been my go to, was putting on Chainstars....nearly exclusively, in my parts. Yellow bands had NO business in SE Michigan woods. That soft, nose up, floaty approach/run, had less chance of the Chainstar pole bounce back.

 

[HB2017]

My brother had me try one of his Bergs during a round recently and I am now a believer. It is stupidly easy to flick, holds a slight anhyzer line well and drops to the ground before fading too much. I think there is still a lot to be said for knowing how to finesse a floaty understable putter but there is no reason to throw that shot if you have a Berg.

 

[Sheep]

My brother had me try one of his Bergs during a round recently and I am now a believer. It is stupidly easy to flick, holds a slight anhyzer line well and drops to the ground before fading too much. I think there is still a lot to be said for knowing how to finesse a floaty understable putter but there is no reason to throw that shot if you have a Berg.

The consensus on that is that berg is a great disc for people who have no speed control.

Which, they are not wrong. Most of the people I see throwing upshots with bergs have absolutely no power control.

However, if its stupid and it works. =)

There are more discs that do that same thing the berg does, just everyone jizzes in their panties over bergs.

 

[discerdoo]

The consensus on that is that berg is a great disc for people who have no speed control.

Which, they are not wrong. Most of the people I see throwing upshots with bergs have absolutely no power control.

However, if its stupid and it works. =)

There are more discs that do that same thing the berg does, just everyone jizzes in their panties over bergs.

I got wood, thanks Sheep!

#Berg Gang!

 

[biscoe]

The consensus on that is that berg is a great disc for people who have no speed control.

Which, they are not wrong. Most of the people I see throwing upshots with bergs have absolutely no power control.

However, if its stupid and it works. =)

There are more discs that do that same thing the berg does, just everyone jizzes in their panties over bergs.

Funny. I often say that the Berg is a throwing putter for people with no touch.

 

[Sheep]

Funny. I often say that the Berg is a throwing putter for people with no touch.

It's a great disc.
But when you listen to most people talk about it, they talk about how its a cheat code, about how it does all these things that helps them with their game such as not going to far, stalling out and such making their upshots so much easier and such.

Well yeah. It's doing as designed. It's a flying brick that goes straight.
But good lord berg people, keep your wang diddly in your pants. We all know what a tictac looks like already.

 

[Nick Carroll]

Yeah I look at the Berg the same way I look at a Zone. It's designed to mitigate a type of damage. You can just throw a regular putter, but it's nice having these options.

 

[@CD-]

Taking 2 or better every time from 100' seems a bit more more useful to me than throwing 500', but what do I know?

Throwing far makes throwing short easier or more controlled with slower discs. Certainly players can get crafty when using different types of discs/form for approaching but generally having 100ft approaches is a sign you aren't getting a true birdie look. I think focusing on getting to C2 and having a look at birdie is the goal with adding distance and expanding the potential holes a player can reach.

Probably harder to go from a controlled/conservative game strategy to a higher risk/reward power strategy than the other way around. A well rounded game should adapt to the course - disc down for woods/control, disc up for open/windy/distance.

At a certain point a player needs to understand their capabilities and disc down/play conservative on holes with high risk to play the odds vs. their competition. That is when playing for par and chipping down the fairway is a better strategy on average to avoid extra/penalty throws on the scorecard.

 

[dmoore1998]

Taking 2 or better every time from 100' seems a bit more more useful to me than throwing 500', but what do I know?

Better? Yes. But also just relatively easy to do. Also in terms of a "goal"...it's tougher to measure. "Can I throw 500 feet"? When I throw it 500 feet then yes. "Can I park every shot from 100 feet and in?" For how long? With what kind of obstacles in the way?

But I can also say that when I went from throwing 300 to throwing 400...the benefit was not in being able to throw 400. The benefit was in being able to walk up to a 300 foot hole and throw a hyzer zone, or a straight putter/mid...instead of throwing my absolute furthest drive.

 

[HB2017]

At a certain point a player needs to understand their capabilities and disc down/play conservative on holes with high risk to play the odds vs. their competition. That is when playing for par and chipping down the fairway is a better strategy on average to avoid extra/penalty throws on the scorecard.

100%. In contrast to adding distance, which can take months to years, playing smart yields dividends right away. However I think for most people disc golf is just another source of quick dopamine hits. Trying to crush every drive and run every 50 footer is way more stimulating than deliberately plotting your way through the course. People also like the gamble of going for the "risk" option, it's more of a rush to pull the slot than think your way through a hand of poker.

 

[Naenae]

Better? Yes. But also just relatively easy to do. Also in terms of a "goal"...it's tougher to measure. "Can I throw 500 feet"? When I throw it 500 feet then yes. "Can I park every shot from 100 feet and in?" For how long? With what kind of obstacles in the way?

But I can also say that when I went from throwing 300 to throwing 400...the benefit was not in being able to throw 400. The benefit was in being able to walk up to a 300 foot hole and throw a hyzer zone, or a straight putter/mid...instead of throwing my absolute furthest drive.

There's some pretty interesting chitchat going on in this thread about the generally under-discussed short game. Might it be that your insights on the power game would fit better in any of a gazillion threads about it?

 

[zontar]

short game is where it's out. consistent 200' shots get you out of a LOT of sticky situations. my 100' shots are what keeps me in the game unless it's a really bomber course.

 

[Naenae]

No, I think I'll keep posting wherever I like actually. Thanks for your concern though son.

I gave up testosterone for Lent a decade or so back.

Back to our scheduled programming...

short game is where it's out. consistent 200' shots get you out of a LOT of sticky situations. my 100' shots are what keeps me in the game unless it's a really bomber course.

Same. I still feel like there are a few more strokes to squeeze out of putting and approach. I am still working on my drives, but even there, I think hitting more gaps will help me more than hitting a bigger number.

 

[dmoore1998]

I gave up testosterone for Lent a decade or so back.

Do you think not having testosterone is what's making it so difficult to throw it 100 feet these days?

 

[Countchunkula]

Regarding the Berg, I picked one up last fall based on all the hype. It's been in the bag since, but I rarely throw it. If I need a straight approach shot, I'll throw the wizard. If there's a bunch of wind, usually there's room for the stego.

I'm thinking about playing a round or two without anything from my normal bag. Just the berg and a few other discs I've picked up recently. Maybe a wizard for putts only. See what makes an impression. If I'm still meh on the berg after that, I'll trade or sell it.

 

[Naenae]

Do you think not having testosterone is what's making it so difficult to throw it 100 feet these days?

Who's talking about having difficulty throwing 100 ft? Approaching is the the strongest and most satisfying part of my game, but of course there is always more to learn, and a plethora of ways to depilate the petite panther.

 

[Naenae]

Regarding the Berg, I picked one up last fall based on all the hype. It's been in the bag since, but I rarely throw it. If I need a straight approach shot, I'll throw the wizard. If there's a bunch of wind, usually there's room for the stego.

I'm thinking about playing a round or two without anything from my normal bag. Just the berg and a few other discs I've picked up recently. Maybe a wizard for putts only. See what makes an impression. If I'm still meh on the berg after that, I'll trade or sell it.

The Berg is growing on me, but I doubt it will ever be my first choice approach. I seem to have more touch with flicking a 3-4 speed.

 

[Naenae]

100%. In contrast to adding distance, which can take months to years, playing smart yields dividends right away. However I think for most people disc golf is just another source of quick dopamine hits. Trying to crush every drive and run every 50 footer is way more stimulating than deliberately plotting your way through the course. People also like the gamble of going for the "risk" option, it's more of a rush to pull the slot than think your way through a hand of poker.

Since you're going to the card analogy, I would add hearts to your poker. Winning more often involves ducking the queen of spades than shooting the moon. Consistent, steady play. Yeah, it's fun to get ahold of one, but I don't really go home thinking about the one that went 25 feet farther. It's the clutch putts and throw ins that make me want to take another lap around the course or come back again tomorrow.