gcr_russell
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Mike C for form advice collaboration, and any other players who may attempt to implement my advice; I'd appreciate feedback on the effectiveness or missing pieces from my suggestions.
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Noodle Arms, Need Your Input
- Thread starter Mike C
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gcr_russel, I think you're a skilled player and I can't recall a post of yours I've disagreed with outside of a preference level. I think you know what's up and I respect you.
jubuttib
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You really should call it the Blake_T exercise, since it is indeed his. Beto just did the video for him.
But yeah, it's a great exercise. When I've gotten into the zone with it I've seen 380' throws with my S-PD's with the one step version. I'm having real problems getting consistent with it though (mainly because I don't stick with it, I get excited and start ripping full power) and have yet to apply it to my proper throw.
I throw about 400' max (most max D shots go 375-380'.) And while that's not in the noodle arm territory, I know that I also don't have any snap.
I don't want to crush. I just want to have some snap. I've not had the time over the last few months to work on it. But I used to work on form/distance a lot. Read all the threads, watched all the videos, etc.
I think the most frustrating part is to sit on my couch for hours doing the hammer pound drill. And drive to a practice area thinking "I've finally got it. I've figured it out." Get to the field. Same distance as always. Go home, work on them some more. Go back. Same D.
Work on right pec drills for days and days last summer. Same distance.
That's the frustrating part. Feeling like you're doing all the right things to gain snap, and still just never "getting it". Watching the videos, missing rounds with buddies to stay on the range, wasting days on the range, and still never gaining a single foot of D.
I just want the universe to reward me for my efforts. But nay, it would rather grant buckets and buckets of snap to the friggin 5-round-per-year-guy that's never heard of the right pec drill. DID YOU SEE WHAT GOD JUST DID TO ME, MAN?!
I don't want to crush. I just want to have some snap. I've not had the time over the last few months to work on it. But I used to work on form/distance a lot. Read all the threads, watched all the videos, etc.
I think the most frustrating part is to sit on my couch for hours doing the hammer pound drill. And drive to a practice area thinking "I've finally got it. I've figured it out." Get to the field. Same distance as always. Go home, work on them some more. Go back. Same D.
Work on right pec drills for days and days last summer. Same distance.
That's the frustrating part. Feeling like you're doing all the right things to gain snap, and still just never "getting it". Watching the videos, missing rounds with buddies to stay on the range, wasting days on the range, and still never gaining a single foot of D.
I just want the universe to reward me for my efforts. But nay, it would rather grant buckets and buckets of snap to the friggin 5-round-per-year-guy that's never heard of the right pec drill. DID YOU SEE WHAT GOD JUST DID TO ME, MAN?!
Hey, 380' ain't bad. Quit your belly aching! You can play well with that distance if you can control your discs and putt. Be happy.
Practice, Practice, Practice. I practiced more this last season then ever before. I'm lucky to have a park right across the street so I can walk over there for an hour or two and throw discs. I added 50' of distance to my drives last season on consistent basis. Recently I've been working on Towel Snap Drills. Haven't seen any results from this yet but hope to come Spring.
tarel
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150 class torn id
be throwing some z flicks and star valk and champ eagle/leo/tb and call it a day.
tampabay
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I didn't read all of the pages so this may have been covered but here goes.
I have had a bad shoulder for a while and tend to strong arm every sport I have ever played.
I would not say I am a complete "noodle arm", but I have increased my BH distance significantly in the past few months even with a semi-injured shoulder.
If I intentionally throw it at like 60% power, it does wonders. Granted, if I ever got technique on one of those 100% power disasters I am sure it would fly forever, but I digress.
Here are the main things I have learned
-Put less effort in, slow is smooth, smooth is far (i know thats repeated constantly but its so true)
-Use slower discs, I have gotten my farthest BH's using a river and learning to hyzer flip it. Using slow discs forces technique
- USE LIGHTER DISCS. Please explain this logic to me...if there are people that can throw putters 500' (not many but they exist) and they throw 175g discs, what makes you think that you should also throw those when you weigh 130 pounds and throw a nuke 275. IMO everyone should experiment with lighter discs, it has helped me tremendously (the river i learned to bh with is 170)
-Reachback. Although the opposite has been said, intentionally thinking of reaching back then accelerating through "the hit" helped me so much. I literally force my self every single drive to extend on my reach back and it has done wonders.
-Footwork, most people with noodle arms tend to be lighter/skinnier (sorry if this seems offensive or untrue) and a lot of them try to make up for it with extremely fast footwork. This goes back to the first point, an X-step is fine, but do it at a comfortable speed, not full sprint. You are playing disc golf, not Dance Dance Revolution.
-Hyzer Flips, hyzer flips are great, nuff said. They gave me tons of extra distance.
The biggest thing I am struggling to do is increase my speed of drives, like I said, I understand the mechanics but they aren't comfortable enough to do at full speed. So I guess for me it's just a matter of time.
I have had a bad shoulder for a while and tend to strong arm every sport I have ever played.
I would not say I am a complete "noodle arm", but I have increased my BH distance significantly in the past few months even with a semi-injured shoulder.
If I intentionally throw it at like 60% power, it does wonders. Granted, if I ever got technique on one of those 100% power disasters I am sure it would fly forever, but I digress.
Here are the main things I have learned
-Put less effort in, slow is smooth, smooth is far (i know thats repeated constantly but its so true)
-Use slower discs, I have gotten my farthest BH's using a river and learning to hyzer flip it. Using slow discs forces technique
- USE LIGHTER DISCS. Please explain this logic to me...if there are people that can throw putters 500' (not many but they exist) and they throw 175g discs, what makes you think that you should also throw those when you weigh 130 pounds and throw a nuke 275. IMO everyone should experiment with lighter discs, it has helped me tremendously (the river i learned to bh with is 170)
-Reachback. Although the opposite has been said, intentionally thinking of reaching back then accelerating through "the hit" helped me so much. I literally force my self every single drive to extend on my reach back and it has done wonders.
-Footwork, most people with noodle arms tend to be lighter/skinnier (sorry if this seems offensive or untrue) and a lot of them try to make up for it with extremely fast footwork. This goes back to the first point, an X-step is fine, but do it at a comfortable speed, not full sprint. You are playing disc golf, not Dance Dance Revolution.
-Hyzer Flips, hyzer flips are great, nuff said. They gave me tons of extra distance.
The biggest thing I am struggling to do is increase my speed of drives, like I said, I understand the mechanics but they aren't comfortable enough to do at full speed. So I guess for me it's just a matter of time.
Phenn
Birdie Member
^ This. The concept of "snap" really started making sense when I started driving with putters. And the first time I hyzer-flipped a River, it literally took my breath away.
jubuttib
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I'd like to say that hyzerflips didn't give me any added distance, but increased distance did give me hyzerflips. Hyzerflip isn't some special technique or anything like that, it's just what happens when you can put enough speed on a disc to make it turn.
What it did for me was open up a lot of new line shaping options.
Moify
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This is a new low for trolling, Mike_C 
KniceZ
Double Eagle Member
I'm still not getting this hyzer-flip. If I throw a disc hyzer it stays hyzer. Just don't think I've got the speed.
So I'm going to keep working on straight and level! :|
So I'm going to keep working on straight and level! :|
Marv Vega
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When I first started playing I played a lot of softball. There was this guy in an organized pick-up game I played in that was kind like 5'8" or so and kind of nerdy looking. My buddy and I were talking about how we were getting good at disc golf (we weren't), the nerdy guy tossed an Aviar at least 400'-there were no fences. Come to find out he had the distance record in MN for awhile.
Shipley
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I'm still not getting this hyzer-flip. If I throw a disc hyzer it stays hyzer. Just don't think I've got the speed.
So I'm going to keep working on straight and level! :|
For a hyzer flip, you need to throw a very understable disc.
Or have more arm speed/ power.
I'm still not getting this hyzer-flip. If I throw a disc hyzer it stays hyzer. Just don't think I've got the speed.
So I'm going to keep working on straight and level! :|
What disc are you trying to hyzer flip?
MooTaters
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I'd be willing to bet you could hyzer flip a stingray. Hyzer flipping depends on what disc you use, obviously how well you throw, but also on things like wind conditions. My valk is usually a good straight flier but on a windy day it goes just like my roadrunner off the big bomb hill on hole 3 at hiestand park.
KniceZ
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Maybe it is disc selection - my main drivers are a star Beast and pro Orc. I had to put away an old DX Beast and DX Valk that I used to use when they started flipping too much. I'll pull them back out and see what happens. Thanks.
