Newbie needs forehand advice..please

[kingjames1014]

I cannot throw a sidearm to save my life. I have been working on it but only get about 100' dying right. I throw all dx plastic and just recently put away all my fast stuff (discing down). Is there a disc i currently have that i can develop a RHFH with? here's what i have:
175 Beast-out of the bag now.
175 Teerex-can't throw it a lick-out of the bag.
166 Leopard- just got this one-main driver RHBH-~285.
171 Gazelle- also new-not happy with it- turns and burns @220 BH.
150 Leopard- too understable for FH me thinks-anny roller disc-250 BH.
175 Roc- good disc- ~240 BH.
175 Shark- 235-240 hyzer mid BH.
173 Classic Roc- out of the bag-turn & burn @200BH.
167 Skeeter- mid range anny disc- can throw pretty good.~235 BH.
175 Dart- approach & drive putter-~175 BH.
170 Rpro Aviar- Main putter.

I am gonna upgrade to some better plastic next year(Pro or elite-x). Should i also think about getting a FH disc if none of these i have now would be good?

thanks for the advice.

 

[chris717]

you need new plastic

you need to get z plastic disc : surge, force, innova orc. Those work well for my side arm throws and I always try to release low. Film yourself to see how you do.

 

[WillACarpenter]

I cannot throw a sidearm to save my life. I have been working on it but only get about 100' dying right. I throw all dx plastic and just recently put away all my fast stuff (discing down). Is there a disc i currently have that i can develop a RHFH with? here's what i have:
175 Beast-out of the bag now.
175 Teerex-can't throw it a lick-out of the bag.
166 Leopard- just got this one-main driver RHBH-~285.
171 Gazelle- also new-not happy with it- turns and burns @220 BH.
150 Leopard- too understable for FH me thinks-anny roller disc-250 BH.
175 Roc- good disc- ~240 BH.
175 Shark- 235-240 hyzer mid BH.
173 Classic Roc- out of the bag-turn & burn @200BH.
167 Skeeter- mid range anny disc- can throw pretty good.~235 BH.
175 Dart- approach & drive putter-~175 BH.
170 Rpro Aviar- Main putter.

I am gonna upgrade to some better plastic next year(Pro or elite-x). Should i also think about getting a FH disc if none of these i have now would be good?

thanks for the advice.

You could learn it with teerex or beast. But in DX plastic it will beat in like crazy.

I'd suggest either Champ, Z or FLX plastic (option, HPP, C...whatever) and something like a firebird/banshee/predator they're overstable enough to let your noobishness still not turn them over...but they're true enough flying that you will know when you REALLY get it right because they'll hold a dead straight line forever...then gradually glide down and to the right.

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[billnchristy]

Gazelle is an excellent sidearm disc. If you are turning it over you are throwing too sloppy.

 

[garublador]

I'd keep with discing down. The drills outlined in this thread at DGR will give you a jump start on how to throw a forehand and how to translate it to a really good backhand, too:

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19220

 

[surgeflx87]

I also have to add that if your turning the gazelle that early, you have form problems. I can put my dx gazelles over 300 on a nice hyzer flip. As for throwing sidearm, I just threw my sidearm out except for getout of trouble shots.
Just dont assume it is the discs and that it may be you.

 

[chrishysell]

Get yourself a Zone, Pro D or ESP. Once you learn to throw it straight you can throw anything.

 

[JSurmann]

I would try with the Beast as well. Take it nice an easy and try not to muscle it. Let your wrist do a lot of the work and you can actually hear a snap when you do it right.

 

[Triflusal]

What is the point of starting out sidearm with drivers? especially speed 7+ drivers? If you are learning a new throw shouldn't you start with slower discs, just like a backhand? I think all of these overstable plastic suggestions are bad, and you should stick with the gazelle, and even try the roc just to see what happens. If you can throw those without turning them over, you're good to go

 

[agent_peebody]

i'd stick with a roc until you're putting it at least 200' out there

 

[RoundWounds]

GRIP IS IMPORTANT. Try out some of these side arm grips here: http://www.innovadiscs.com/home/daves-tips/daves-grip-tips.html

Side arm is very natural for me (easily throwing over 300'). I personally use the 'power stack' grip. I've had a couple of friends ask for some sidearm advice. So, the first thing I get them to do is to try that grip and it's given them straighter, longer and more accurate shots.

Watch this too:

 

[kingjames1014]

I also have to add that if your turning the gazelle that early, you have form problems. I can put my dx gazelles over 300 on a nice hyzer flip. As for throwing sidearm, I just threw my sidearm out except for getout of trouble shots.
Just dont assume it is the discs and that it may be you.

ohh i know it's my form. i just wanted to know what is the best disc to learn to throw FH out of the discs i have now. or do i need to buy another one?

 

[billnchristy]

The. Gazelle.

It is not "learning" if you just throw an overstable torque monkey disc to hide all your flaws. Get your butt in a field and sidearm your putters until they don't flip (this means slowing down and being smooth) then grab the gazelle and behold the magic.

 

[kingjames1014]

The. Gazelle.

It is not "learning" if you just throw an overstable torque monkey disc to hide all your flaws. Get your butt in a field and sidearm your putters until they don't flip (this means slowing down and being smooth) then grab the gazelle and behold the magic.

yes sir.

 

[Sean Johnson]

What is the point of starting out sidearm with drivers? especially speed 7+ drivers? If you are learning a new throw shouldn't you start with slower discs, just like a backhand? I think all of these overstable plastic suggestions are bad, and you should stick with the gazelle, and even try the roc just to see what happens. If you can throw those without turning them over, you're good to go

This /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\. Seriously, the same reasons for discing down RHBH also apply to throwing FH. Getting some fast, beefy disc is not the answer; all it will do is mask your form issues. I recently started discing down, and I'm also trying to work on my FH. I went from throwing 150 Flicks and light 11x Firebirds to forehanding my ESP Cyclone. I don't get the hard hyzer finish, but it does flip up and ride for a serious increase in distance over the more overstable discs.

 

[hyperspike]

Yeah some of the local pros around me suggesting discing down and just driving putters i was able to quickly find my flaws and better my driving... so i would suggest starting with putters in a field...

 

[buzzinb]

The. Gazelle.

It is not "learning" if you just throw an overstable torque monkey disc to hide all your flaws. Get your butt in a field and sidearm your putters until they don't flip (this means slowing down and being smooth) then grab the gazelle and behold the magic.

This is gospel truth. It can be a little frustrating but it will be worth it.

 

[CwAlbino]

you need to get z plastic disc : surge, force, innova orc. Those work well for my side arm throws and I always try to release low. Film yourself to see how you do.

No no no no no.

Work with the gazelle. A few things to watch:



Grip: Usually a 2 finger or single finger grip, This really changes how you will release the disc.

Single finger (what I use):

2 Finger:

Avery Jenkins power grip:

Release angle: This goes hand in hand with the grip, and I've found is the leading cause of OAT (off axis torque) for forehand players. The difference between a good forehand player, and a not so good forehand player, is control of the release angle. Hold the disc with each grip and the hold the disc out at the release point and notice how your arm is positioned for the disc to be flat for each grip type. The single finger and Avery grip are close to each other, with the palm being almost perpendicular to the flight plate, while the 2 finger grip is almost parallel with the disc.

Most will "roll their shoulder" when throwing a forehand. To show what I mean best, hold a disc flat with a single finger grip, then keep your arm at the same position, but change the grip to a 2 finger grip. The disc is now positioned more at an angle, and not flat. This is why you really need to watch the release angle depending on the grip, at the time of release, it needs to stay on the same plane as the pull.

Pull: I go with a bent elbow pull. The idea is the same as backhand, get the disc to move straight, not in a circular pattern. From the reachback to the "hit" you should be throwing in a relatively straight line.

Hit: One of the most looked over, yet simple parts of a forehand. I believe the hit is far easier on a forehand than a backhand, but is also the most problematic due to angle issues. I find it easiest (with a single finger grip) to point to my target. Simple right? Pull straight, point to the target. Smooth, with acceleration at the end.

Follow Through:You shouldn't be following through in a rotating fashion like backhand, forehand follow-throughs are forward with little to no rotation (A full power shot is hard not to, but for control, no rotation). My shoulders will end up on the same line as my arm for the point (hit)

Runup: If you already know the X step it's pretty easy to convert to a forehand X step. For RHFH:
1. Left foot forward for a "closed" baseball stance
2. Right foot behind for the X, I do more of a hop however without really passing the right foot behind the left.
3. Left foot goes to a "open" baseball stance and the body pivots to where the chest is forward

 

[mabraddock]

^this...

the orc works really well for me... champ and try to find pearly one...

 

[johnnyfoodstamp]

I cannot throw a sidearm to save my life. I have been working on it but only get about 100' dying right. I throw all dx plastic and just recently put away all my fast stuff (discing down). Is there a disc i currently have that i can develop a RHFH with? here's what i have:

175 Teerex-can't throw it a lick-out of the bag.


thanks for the advice.

I always use a 174 Teerex for my sidearm and can get about 300-330ft. Needs to be snapped really hard. Try a roadrunner until they go left.