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i have a Groove in the bag, but don't throw it too often... it's kinda unpredictable for me. It seems to loose speed quickly, maybe that's cause mine is 175g but its nice to come out of the trees without beating up any of my go-to discs.

a beat up Star Boss Star Gator HPP Wizard

Never seen a disc marked more than 175.... i have seen mas weight marked.

what about the wasp or even a star san marino roc??? Any thoughts???

Innovadude.... PM'd ya :)

Thanks everyone.... looking for one 173g-175g. and preferably in Z plastic. Thinking about getting my hands on one of those aftershocks to see the comparison.

I know that dicraft stopped making these a while back, but I LOVE these disc. I can't seem to find anymore anywhere. Does anyone have a line on some new condition Elite Z- MRV? Please let me know. I have more aces with that disc than any other. I only have one left in pretty good condition...

The Star FL (firebird long) doesn't like to flip... at all. Nice long staight drives with a little fade at the end. Very prdicable and reliable. To me it is like a straighted out Firebird with less skip at the end.

That is kinda what I thought and everything I throw is Champion,Star,Z or Evolution with the exception of a pro line Ryhno and Supreme JuJu. I guess I just plan on bringing in my own scale to the store. I have been using an OHAUS triple beam, but it looks like I gotta get a nice digi to travel...

I love the XS in Z plastic RHBH and sometimes a ittle flick when something is REAL tight. the disc is a little under stable but great for straight down the gut shots and and straight with some fade right towards the middle and finishes nice. It goes far too... easy 350 down the pipe. Gets...

Wow.... I did not realize just how much moisture a disc can absorb or retain after production..... Anyone have any real numbers on the amount of water a disc can absorb without being submerged?

Been sucking it up for many years.... kinda just want what i'm paying for. I see your points and they are valid, but If I'm spending $18 a pop, I expect it to be what I want, not "close." I hear ya on the disc over time changing weight due to use, but what if ya want a new one that performs...

The past few discs that I have purchased from various manufactures are mislabeled with the WRONG weight. With this in mind, I went through the rest of my bag and re-weighed every disc. 9 of 16 were NOT correct.:thmbdown: (Most were Innova) To me, this is absolutely unacceptable! It is...

I also just started throwing the Core and the Vision from Lat 64. Very happy with both of these, but not top 5.....yet ;) Weights 172 Boss 172 Destroyer 172 Z-XS 173 Gator 174 Wizard

BOSS !!! Destroyer Z-XS Gator !! Wizard

I've been throwing (RHBH) a Star Boss 173 about 500' and Star Destroyer 172 a little less. Flat out of my hand the boss will flatten out, annhyz a bit and then come back to a nice fast finish. Gold line Halo thrown the same will do a mid to hard annhyz almost immediately (sometimes flipping...

Lat 64 Gold Line Vision

just picked up Gold line Halo, Striker and Vision Halo is NOTHING like a Boss... much less stable and less glide. NOT good in the wind, flips that much easier. I would say it flies more like a groove, just a tad slower, but the groove is champion plastic. Maybe the Opto line is more like a...

Star Boss 173 Pro line Rhyno 175

4.50 star(s) In My Top 5 Even after touring the west coast, this one is in my top 5 favorite courses of all time. Beautiful from the first drive. Very clean and well maintained. Defined fairways that don't throw back on each other. Fairway grass was short when present and trees seemed to be trimmed up...