I got two sometime last week. They are staying in my bag for now. I have a 171 flat one and a 175 domey one. The flat one definitely has some turn to it and fades back nicely. I got it out to 400 on a couple throws. Both of these have crazy amounts of glide. The heavier, domey one is a lot different. I can throw this one just as hard and it has almost no turn. It's a lot more hss than the lighter one. It seems to fade out just as much, if not more, than the blue one. They're both fun to throw, I seem to turn towards the blue one in most disdance situations though. I throw the red one into headwinds though, and only then do I get some turn out of this disc.