Jeppson's Malört based would be my guess.
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DGPT Drops New Media Outlook for 2019
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Jeppson's Malört based would be my guess.
Place here in town had the Malort Wings Challenge.
Malort based sauce on 6 wings, followed by a shot of Malort.
frasnow
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I really appreciate your candor in this post. Stating the facts is a way better argument than the personal attacks of the past. :clap:
turbosteve
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How crazy would it be if it was discgolfplanet or billy crump who was the new in-house team?
DiscNinja33
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It's just gonna be Steve Dodge live streaming on Facebook from his phone, doing commentary between bites of BBQ.
I have no idea what malort even tastes like. I just know it's notoriously awful. One of these days I'm gonna have a bottle shipped down to me so I can pass it around and have people think even less of me. :|
teemkey
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Do your rockets carry a payload? If so ...
spinachd
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I totally was planning on playing that after seeing the coverage. Is the tourney gone or just the courses?
Royalhghnss
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I know Ron is trying to find another place for a course, but he won't settle for anything less than amazing.
There is also the chance the new owner will be more open to disc golf this coming summer. I heard he wanted a year to get familiar with the property. Fingers crossed, but not super hopeful.
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All who are preparing to watch the VPO final round - there were a couple guys with signs following the lead card around so they could stand in the background of Jomez's camera angles. They had written things like "Steve Dodge sucks" and similar sentiments on them so they would be broadcast to the 92+K subscribers.
Low class IMO.
For one, you have no idea what exactly Steve is going to do. We may all be surprised (but likely not).
Two, I'm sure the players and TD don't appreciate you making their tournament about your opinion of DGPT.
Three, come up with catchier slogans
Low class IMO.
For one, you have no idea what exactly Steve is going to do. We may all be surprised (but likely not).
Two, I'm sure the players and TD don't appreciate you making their tournament about your opinion of DGPT.
Three, come up with catchier slogans
My gut says they'll react as you predicted.
That said - I gotta keep hammering this point, this is not the same as the DGWT. SpinTV was the number 1 channel in subscribers and views in 2015, and it wasn't really close tbh. The DGWT and SpinTV "agreed" months in advance of the DGWT launch. It was never a "use and cut them out" scenario, it was one team under one banner on the biggest platform in the sport.
I'm sorry to belabor that everyone, but we can't let history be re-written and fold these things in as one. They're very different circumstances, and if there's any questions on those differences I'll elaborate, but I'll shut up about it for now.
I definitely see this as a much different scenario than the DGWT launch and to me it looks like DGPT is trying to move towards a more DGWT-ish model, where most if not all content comes out under the DGPT banner (I think we agree on that?).
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this: weren't DGWT and SpinTV both under the Innova/Discmania umbrella of companies and therefore corporate partners (or associates) of a sort before DGWT launched?
[Now on to the rant...]
I'm trying to get a handle on how this all went down and what it means for the future of events that are on or interested in being on the DGPT. There are lots of moving parts between the DGPT, the media companies, the tournaments/TDs, the players and the sponsors.
As a TD of a 2019 A-tier tournament I like the idea of the tournament having more ownership/control of the media content created from my event. I would like to be able to tell/sell prospective event sponsors that their company name will be prominently featured on video content that will get XX thousand of views. Will that happen under the new DGPT model and did it happen in the past with Jomez/CCDG videos? I don't know.
As the father of a touring pro, I am all in favor of growing the number of opportunities my favorite pro has to earn more prize money *and* get more views on videos so he can enhance his marketability. I have a dog in that fight. I think the establishment/growth of the DGPT and it's coordination with the NT Series has helped that. And I agree that the quality coverage provided by Smashboxxtv, Jomez and CCDG has been integral to that process. It's a bit of a "chicken or the egg" situation in my mind, but I could be persuaded.
As a sponsored disc golfer/promoter (I won't kid myself that I'm a sponsored "athlete") I want to see my sponsor get the most out of their investments in tournaments, tours, video channels, because I want the companies to thrive. I want them to be able to continue to support me and what I do.
As a player for over 40 years and a self-identified "steward" of the sport I want to see the sport grow and prosper, both at the pro level and the amateur level. I love seeing more people enjoying the sport I have played my entire adult life, whether they are playing in organized events, playing casually or watching videos of other players. The success of the pro game isn't the end all/be all but it is part of growing the sport.
Also, I know personally and have met or corresponded with several of the key players here and my son knows all of them rather well, so I care about them all as human beings with families, bills to pay and dreams they are chasing. To quote the late Rodney King, I wish "we could all just get along" and things could continue as they had but as has been mentioned earlier here, this is business, and not everyone gets what they want in business decisions.
So please continue the conversation - reading the comments of those who are involved in disc golf media is very helpful to my understanding of what is in the process of happening. I haven't been in contact with any of the principles yet personally, but I will be contacting a few that I know in order to get a better handle on where my events and efforts fit best.
The developments of the media are interesting. We very quickly went from a sport that was really happy to have these people show up and film events to actually paying for some of the best groups to show up. Now mark my words, we won't be far from the events asking for money from the crews for the rights to film.
If we get to the point where events begin to charge for coverage teams, the TD and sponsors will need to rethink their models. Because once you being charging the crews to show up, you basically LOSE the right to demand who THEIR sponsors are. It gets really tough for an event to say, "Hey pay us to be here, AND you have to play these commercials and NOT these." Once that becomes the case, TDs like Rizbee will have a much more difficult time securing either sponsors or media.
I also understand it from a sponsor point of view. You don't want an event you are sponsoring to have a competing company's logo all over the coverage.
This is going to cause headaches for a few years. Until someone finds a way to break the mold.
If we get to the point where events begin to charge for coverage teams, the TD and sponsors will need to rethink their models. Because once you being charging the crews to show up, you basically LOSE the right to demand who THEIR sponsors are. It gets really tough for an event to say, "Hey pay us to be here, AND you have to play these commercials and NOT these." Once that becomes the case, TDs like Rizbee will have a much more difficult time securing either sponsors or media.
I also understand it from a sponsor point of view. You don't want an event you are sponsoring to have a competing company's logo all over the coverage.
This is going to cause headaches for a few years. Until someone finds a way to break the mold.
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Yes, this. I put a lot of work into creating my big event of the year. I would like to see it get covered on video because I am proud of the event and the course and I would like others to see what a great course we have so they might come play it in the future. It's like the neighborhood party analogy that someone aptly used earlier...this is the party I throw for my disc golf friends.
If I have to pay for someone to come cover it, I need ways to raise that money. If I can tell sponsors they will get airtime on the video coverage, that helps me raise the money. But if the media team is already making enough off of their coverage to cover expenses, salary and some profit do I still need to be paying them? Haven't I done enough by creating the event for them to monetize?
I have no idea what the economics of video coverage of a disc golf tournament are. I have no idea how much the media teams make from YouTube, merch sales, ads in the videos, etc. and I have no idea what their costs are, so I am totally puzzled about whether they should be thanking me for the opportunity to film so they can make big $$...or if I should be busting my butt to raise sponsor dollars so they can scrape by financially as they chase their dream.
For me, that's one of the things that makes this hard for me to wrap my head around.
This past season we had Jomez underwritten to some extent by Innova, CCDG by MVP. Did that cause any problems? I have heard that some sponsors/events were unhappy having competing sponsors' ads featured on coverage of a sponsors titled event. I believe that caused some issues a few years back at the Memorial (presented by Discraft) when Smashboxxtv was underwritten by Legacy (please Jonny, correct me if I'm wrong).
I don't think there are enough media companies with enough coverage capacity to pair up with all of the manufacturers, are there? Who does the coverage for Discraft or DD or Legacy? There's got to be some flexibility that allows for sponsors/tournaments that don't have a media group to get coverage for their events and for emerging media groups to somehow get access to events.
Finny
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Yes. This is what frustrates me about the pro scene in general. All the financials are private. We have no idea how to evaluate Paul's Discraft deal, or Steve's media plan, or Prodigy's disruption of sponsorships, or any of it. I wouldn't tell either, I guess, but I wish I could consume DGPT off-season like the NBA.
Finny
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It has to be one way or the other, right? Either the crew pays you and runs their own commercials or you pay them and they run yours. Either model seems fine.
Didn't this happen with Murder Mike? It seems like he was doing general DG coverage and then got "picked up" by Prodigy to cover their players.
"Prodigy Disc" still has a YouTube channel but I have no idea if this is still Murder Mike or not.
Or I could be absolutely wrong. Wouldn't be the first time!!
