lyleoross
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I agree, the talent pool in golf is deeper and better than it was, due to modern training. I knew it was a reach when I typed it, good call.
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DGPT - Jonesboro Open
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I agree, the talent pool in golf is deeper and better than it was, due to modern training. I knew it was a reach when I typed it, good call.
Yeah, it was fresh on my mind because a lot of the writing leading up to this last weekend focused on how many major winners were out there in their 20s these days, guys coming up fully formed younger than ever both in terms of skill and approach to the game.
brutalbrutus
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???... He has a hip problem...
lyleoross
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Um, I confused his hip with his shoulder? Come on, I'm getting senile man, cut me some slack. Good catch though.
If referring to Climo - it still fits that slow-and-steady finish narrative. His wins became less, even as he remained at the top, but in the end injuries caught up to him as they tend to do as you get into your mid-40s, its treated more as a matter of course and not so much something sudden and terrible, a career well fought, injuries staved off longer than most humans could do it...
brutalbrutus
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Lol... I just now read the other posts... Before, I just read that part of that post and thought...WTF? he didn't get to leave on his own terms.
I doubt he would be a fulltime tour player if the hip issue didn't arise but I do think he would have been out there mixing it up with those youngins.
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A hip problem that has taken him out of playing all together, but I think what Lyle was getting at is that Climo stepped away from competing in Open on his own terms. I think other than USDGC, once Climo elected to play Masters, that's where he played at nearly all the big events (Worlds, NTs, etc). As an example, in 2016, he played Open locally in Florida (and USDGC) but when he traveled, he played Masters...Memorial, BSF, Worlds. Basically, he decided he was pretty much done with trying to beat the very best in the game, and was happy to play with his age peers instead. Then he got hurt.
brutalbrutus
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Yea... but, that was before they split Worlds and the DGPT came around. Like I said above, I doubt he would have been on tour fulltime but I do think he would have been out there a couple times a year and especially at both Open and Masters worlds.
Speaking of old pdga farts... anyone seen JohnE lately? I don't know if he's purposely growing the white out to psyche/freak out the other players, "dude that old fart with the white beard can out drive you". But man..he looks like a 60-70 year old out there playing now. lol.. I really enjoy watching him play but have mixed emotions about his public reactions on the course. I would not complain if he ends up in the top 5 of some upcoming elite events.
Reniger
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My point to the player's suffering is that their brand depends on exposure and, frankly, popularity. Without coverage that people want to watch, they do suffer. It's not as if the McMahon or McBeth names are being forgotten, but even a small percentage of loss is still an undeserved detriment to the players.
That's simply not true. This event has been covered for years without DGPT's stellar media group.
lyleoross
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Awesome. Can you provide links to the live coverage of Jonesboro pre-2017, I love old footage. I'm having trouble finding summary coverage too, with commentary.
lyleoross
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I'm still not sure your correct. The proof is in the pudding. If Climo wanted to pursue winning Worlds, well, he would be. He'd be in physical therapy and rehab for his hip and he'd be training with the fire described by Always Hyzer. He's not. Now, whether that's because of my notion that he did it all and is satisfied, or simply because chasing kids off his lawn doesn't allow him time to train, ie he's old, isn't something we can fully determine. Heck, it might even be that he is now a full time stamp collector. But that still leaves us with he's not doing it.
Jonesboro Open did not exist as an event, and certainly wasn't a course that many (any?) of the touring players played prior to its inclusion on the DGPT.
Reniger
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I didn't say pre-DGPT, I said pre-DGPT media group. Which is the failure which is not debated by any party.
I would refute that DGPT media group is a failure.
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lyleoross
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But then you ignored what I wrote. And you're not being completely honest, IMO. Jomez and smash weren't there in the first place with out DGPT. This was a local B tier. Steve liked the course and event and brought it to national prominence by including it in his tour. A tour that he paid Jomez, CCDG and Smash to cover.
Steve blew it going on his own. He's found out that Jomez, CCDG and Smash have a skill set that isn't easily duplicated. But that doesn't mean I get to ignore what Steve brought to the equation. If DGPT goes under, we, Jomez, CCDG and Smash all lose, period. Steve has been clear, he's not breaking even. Today, I resigned up for DGPT on Patreon. Stick, carrot.
lyleoross
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I reluctantly concur. And thanks for having the strength of character to write that. I didn't.
Lol.....not a popular opinion with a handful of vocal naysayers here, but I think that a pragmatic view of Dodge and his business venture is not that hard. He has accomplished in weeks much of what took CCDG or Jomez years to accomplish. Granted, much of it on the back of the tough lessons learned by the above.
Look, just because I like a free Butterfingers A LOT, I am not going to boycott free Baby Ruth's. I might hold out for a free Butterfingers, but I risk losing out on a candy bar altogether. Who loses? Me or the giver of free candy?
Keller
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I get your point and the only caveat that I will counter is, if I love free Butterfingers, but Baby Ruth's make me break out in hives, I'll either buy Butterfingers or find a different candy bar (or cookie).
So who loses? Both parties! I lose my free Butterfingers and the giver loses the interest of a future customer of his other packaged products.
How many "free" TV shows have you liked watching and then one day they just started sucking and you never went back? And when enough other viewers turn away, that show gets cancelled. So every body loses.
