First form review

[HyzerRoc]

Hey I want to do some work on my form this year and started doing the Hershyzer and Dingle Arm drills and the throw is already feeling much easier. Today I had kind of an epiphany thanks to the Hershyzer drill after noticing how planting the right foot turns my hip towards the target, starting my throw.

However now I'm not so sure where to go next and would appreciate some help.

Below are 2 throws, one is with a Rhyno, the other a Teebird. My throws were straight, flat and depending on the disc from 230 to 300 feet in distance. Next time I get the chance I will make sure to get some shots from behind as well.

https://youtu.be/_uYqQR9EMUc

 

[Brychanus]

Would film closer to 90 degrees to the shot. I see too much rotation & not enough mAss shift. Your spine is trapped vertically between the feet rather than swinging back and forth between the feet like a pendulum from head to foot

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3460573&postcount=9

Might work on Double Dragon/Can Can. You need to get all your mAss swinging back so that it can swing forward. You will feel totally different like your body is swinging over a much bigger range than it is in your current throw.

https://youtu.be/aADjcR_ZtUw?t=103

 

[sidewinder22]

1. Camera angle should be either straight behind tee or 90 degree to the end of the tee/hit. You have some weird angle.

2. Note how your hips are still all the way back at the peak backswing, so everything is moving forward together. The hips need to start moving targetward when the arm/disc start swinging past the rear foot.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133543

 

[HyzerRoc]

Hey Brychanus and Sidewinder, thank you for the feedback

I worked some more on both Hershyzer Drills and the Buttwipe Drill. Especially the video hip tracking part of the clearing the hips golf video helped me understand the concept of how I should use the hips. For the throws I try to focus on pulling my left hip toward the target to then hit the wall with the right and swivel around my spine.

This time around I got some more angles and I also tried to film me doing the buttwipe drill.

https://youtu.be/18nWC8tRvRY

Compared to my last time posting my hips start turning a little earlier but still not nearly as early as in the Simon example. I also have trouble to feel a difference which tells me that my hips are not properly engaged into the throw yet. Is there a clue that I could use during the throw on when to start stomping my right foot down to turn the hips?

 

[HyzerRoc]

Would film closer to 90 degrees to the shot. I see too much rotation & not enough mAss shift. Your spine is trapped vertically between the feet rather than swinging back and forth between the feet like a pendulum from head to foot

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3460573&postcount=9

Might work on Double Dragon/Can Can. You need to get all your mAss swinging back so that it can swing forward. You will feel totally different like your body is swinging over a much bigger range than it is in your current throw.

https://youtu.be/aADjcR_ZtUw?t=103

Thanks, I didn't realise how little weight I put into the throw. The drill feels a bit like ice skating but with the leg swinging in front instead of behind. I didn't get to try it out in a field work session yet but I will report back once I do.

 

[sidewinder22]

Try to keep your knees inside your ankles. Both your knees end up outside moving back and forth. Your front heel is spinning backward which is why your front knee ends up outside. Need to sit your pressure into the heel and pivot on it.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118948

 

[HyzerRoc]

That is a nice catch. I just went back to some older videos of me throwing and noticed my knee went above or over my ankle back then as well.

The first pic is of me throwing in november of last year and the second one is from january of this year.

 

[HyzerRoc]

To make this even more of a deep dive, I found a video of me throwing from 2017:

https://youtu.be/1qCVysrPIm8

I basically run through the throw and don't seem to generate any power from it while staying level the whole time.

And to get back to you Brychanus, I tried the Double Dragon today. It was really fun and I will probably just keep going back to it for that reason. There was a lot of undirected power in my throws (I would go way too high and sometimes just turn the discs over) but on some of them I could feel a distinct hit, even though I could only get a fraction of power the move generated into the actual throw.

https://youtu.be/BZjKvzh1Z0Y

I then tried to translate that into putting my weight behind me and shifting forward. It was really difficult to coordinate shifting the weight while simultaneously planting the foot and turning my hip in accordance to my upper body so this definitely needs some more work.

https://youtu.be/LyLgMoFCJeM

 

[sidewinder22]

Relax the kick some and make it more lateral than backwards.

 

[HyzerRoc]

What do you mean with lateral instead of backwards? I get that the leg should move laterally, but I don't understand how it moves backwards.

Also when you swing the front leg to kick the ball, do you just let your upper body fall to the right or do you push with your left leg to give it some more swing?

 

[sidewinder22]

Your front leg is completely backwards to target instead of just slightly. So you end up having to open your front leg into the plant instead of staying closed or even turning back closed into the plant.

The rear leg/foot leverages against the ground swing/kick front leg. The swing/kick should end up pulling your rear foot up off the ground. You shouldn't jump off the rear foot.

 

[HyzerRoc]

Sorry for leaving you hanging there, I didn't get around to taking another video the past couple of weeks.

Thank you for the advice, although it is obvious when you point it out, I didn't even notice I wasn't swinging the foot to generate power. Consequently I worked on incorporating your advice into my throw and get the leading foot to swing. Does this look better already?

https://youtu.be/O34bX3gBMsw

Also, the force generated by swinging the foot feels really powerful, just like the double dragon drill. However I struggle incorporating it into the shots I throw during a round. I tried starting from an x-step and swinging the right foot for some power, but I would end up with a lot of shanks as I would struggle to keep balance/a consistent form. Do you have any advice on what would be the next step to incorporate the swing into a regular throw?

 

[sidewinder22]

You are staying too centered between your feet(stance ends up too wide), instead of fully shifting to one foot balance to other foot balance.

 

[HyzerRoc]

Thanks for pointing that out. I did not get to take a video yet but I have been slo-mo drilling and focused on shifting my weight from left to right foot. When deilling the weight shift I found it combines really well with the drill in which you kick the ball.

One problem that had popped up for me is the inside of my right knee hurting after about 30 throws. Shifting my weight to the right foot and swinging my hip above the foot has relieved that to a degree. Shifting my weight above the right foot has also made throws with a run-up a lot easier and I feel less resistance during the throw.

 

[HyzerRoc]

So halfway through doing the Slomo drill I realised I don't actually know what makes my weight shift from the back foot to the front foot during the throw. I also noticed that the left side of my hip does not come to the front. So I went back to the buttwipe drill (as it was your first advice sidewinder) and spent the last week doing it at home barefoot and then trying it out in the field with shoes on and a disc. I had done the drill before but noticed I didn't do it right the first time around. Instead of wiping the butt against the wall I would smash the right side of my hip against it.

This time around I noticed a couple of things:
- as resistance builds on the inside of the left foot by bending the right knee and leaving the left leg straight my hip slides forward
- to wipe the butt against the wall requires the left knee to bend towards the right one
- to turn the hip further requires me to straighten my right leg, pushing my right hip up
- and finally straightening my leg will make my foot turn towards the target and also make the throw easier on my knee

I still have a really hard time keeping my balance while employing the powers of the buttwipe drill to sling the disc. These are some of my attempts to do it in the field. The videos are a bit longer as I struggle to do the move consistently and as an effect of changing the movement of my lower body so drastically throws are all over the place.

View from behind:
https://youtu.be/ZMwYozV2uwU

View from the side:
https://youtu.be/tn4-tGSXoyE

From the videos: does it look like I'm moving in the right direction for the weight shift?

 

[sidewinder22]

video unavailable

 

[HyzerRoc]

Does it work for your now? Forgot to change it to unlisted.

 

[sidewinder22]

Your hit/release point is too straight/north/12, instead of wider out to the side/left/west/10.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132910
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134415

 

[HyzerRoc]

Hey, thanks once again for the feedback. I appreciate it.

Working on my swing is a nice next direction to go into, I have already started doing the Olympic Hammer Throw Drill and the Hershhyzer wall hit. Part of the problem for me is that I have trouble sitting into the weight shift and I don't get my butt back far enough to balance it out with my upper body leaning more forward.

Before I go the next step I wanted to check how my throw with the buttwipe drill worked into it looks. I included me going through the motions before the throw. Some of my notes:

- the weight seems to be on the outside, not the inside, of my plant foot and it leads to my knee going above the ankle
- I developed a habit of bad rounding, so going into olympic hammer throw drill is a good direction
- my weight does not fully shift onto the plant foot, I still squish the bug with my drive foot
- I extend my plant leg too late
- my reachback is too high, my swing is more akin to a pendulum than a straight line

Side View:
https://youtu.be/W6mbj_xY66Q

Behind View:
https://youtu.be/lQ3QTxniAZA

My question here is: have I incorporated the buttwipe drill into my throw correctly?

 

[HyzerRoc]

Try to keep your knees inside your ankles. Both your knees end up outside moving back and forth. Your front heel is spinning backward which is why your front knee ends up outside. Need to sit your pressure into the heel and pivot on it.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118948

My knee issues have gotten better while progressing in learning the weight shift, however they have still been nagging me and I read through all sorts of threads to get rid of them. I did some crush the can at home (without a can tho, I don't have any) and tried to feel my weight go from one ball of the foot to the other, just letting gravity settle the ball down onto the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOY4R_iNxF8 this video really helped me to understand, that I don't need to whip my whole body from side to side and can instead just put my pressure and the right or left ball of the foot.

For the throws I just focused on my knees staying inside my ankles and shifting my weight while going from toe to ball on the foot.

This is the result: https://youtu.be/ioT9Grzj2ps

My knees are noticeably happier after these throws and while it is still inconsistent, my lower body action feels at ease. The first two sets of throws have been a little better than those on video, I think it is due to my knees getting tired. Letting them pogo my throw is really tiring for them.

My swing however continues to suffer and I just spray the discs wherever they might wanna go. What I also don't quite get which direction my arm is supposed to sling at. Right now I just let it go wherever as I just focus on the lower body. Something else to note is that my distance has stayed the same (about 260 feet with mids and putters) since starting all of this, however I get them to that distance regularly and it has become easy to overthrow most of the local holes.