Twmccoy
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Due to request, I've decided to do a write up of the Flick (Z) vs. the Stiletto (Opto). These are two discs of different speeds, but very similar (over)stability.
The Flick is listed at 12, 3, 1, 5. The Stiletto is listed at 13, 3, 0.5, 5. Flick is unknown weight (170+). Stiletto is 168g.
Stiletto rim depth: 1.1 CM. Rim width: 2.3 CM.
Flick rim depth 1.1 CM. Rim width: 2.1 CM.
The Flick is a mold I've bagged and thrown for probably 10+ years. Over that time I've thrown several different ones. Most Flicks are brutally overstable, but I've seen a couple that weren't. When a Flick develops high speed turn it'll actually cruise pretty well and cover pretty big distance. That said, I don't like when Flicks get flippy. When I throw a Flick, I have a very specific shot in mind. I don't want turn, and I want it to fade HARD. I usually throw the Flick sidearm, but I'll occasionally muscle up on it backhand if the wind is blowing. The Flick is a great wind fighter. The disc is so fast and glideless that it isn't affected much.
The Stiletto I don't have much experience with. I've thrown one before, but only a handful of times, and not for several years.
Now, for the observations....
Both discs have very shallow rims. You notice it immediately when picking them up. The shallow rim can negatively affect backhand (slippage), but I feel it aids in easier releases sidearm.
No dome at all on either disc. Very flat. I've never seen a Flick with dome. I don't know if Stilettos ever have dome or not.
Remarkably similar looking flights, both backhand and sidearm. Thrown flat, the Flick and Stiletto will start fading pretty much immediately. Very consistent, super overstable flights. Both discs are easy to aim for that reason. You know exactly how they'll fly and where they'll end up.
The Stiletto is faster and longer than the Flick. The few throws I devoted to sheer distance rips, I noticed about 25' difference between the two. The Stiletto did 360' a couple times, and the Flick only did about 330'. Sidearm I was right at about 300' with both of them. A note: I'm not a remarkable sidearm thrower. It isn't something I do in the field for sheer distance practice.
From a glide standpoint, neither disc was impressive (nor were they supposed to be). However, the Stiletto definitely out-glided the Flick. That, coupled with a later fade made the Stiletto longer.
Both discs fade hard, but the Flick faded harder and sooner than the Stiletto. When these discs land, they do so like lawn darts, at a 45 degree angle. I threw both discs on severe anhyzer angles a few times. That was the only way I was able to get any real distance out of them. Both discs fight out of an anny quickly.
Conclusions: The Flick and Stiletto are two pretty hardcore overstable drivers. Neither mold glides, nor are they affected by wind. The two discs fly almost exactly the same, but the Flick glides a little less and fades harder than the Stiletto. My only concern with the Stiletto is the Opto plastic. As hard as this disc lands, that plastic gets chewed up fairly quickly. Discraft's Z plastic is way more durable. Thrown hard and anny I was able to get 25-30' more out of the Stiletto over the Flick consistently.
My numbers:
Flick: 12, 3, 1, 5. I'm going to stick with the factory numbers here. The Flick doesn't even pretend to fly flat, and it has a LOT of late fade. No glide to speak of either.
Stiletto: 14, 4, 1, 4. The Stiletto is fast. I'm going to bump the speed up to 14 on this one. It also has a little glide. The late fade also isn't quite as abrupt as the Flick. I wonder if the Stiletto breaks in and gets flippier. I know Opto plastic isn't super durable. Honestly, the disc this reminds me of most is the Gladiator. They have remarkably similar flights, and I don't know why L64 even has them both in the lineup.
The Flick is listed at 12, 3, 1, 5. The Stiletto is listed at 13, 3, 0.5, 5. Flick is unknown weight (170+). Stiletto is 168g.
Stiletto rim depth: 1.1 CM. Rim width: 2.3 CM.
Flick rim depth 1.1 CM. Rim width: 2.1 CM.
The Flick is a mold I've bagged and thrown for probably 10+ years. Over that time I've thrown several different ones. Most Flicks are brutally overstable, but I've seen a couple that weren't. When a Flick develops high speed turn it'll actually cruise pretty well and cover pretty big distance. That said, I don't like when Flicks get flippy. When I throw a Flick, I have a very specific shot in mind. I don't want turn, and I want it to fade HARD. I usually throw the Flick sidearm, but I'll occasionally muscle up on it backhand if the wind is blowing. The Flick is a great wind fighter. The disc is so fast and glideless that it isn't affected much.
The Stiletto I don't have much experience with. I've thrown one before, but only a handful of times, and not for several years.
Now, for the observations....
Both discs have very shallow rims. You notice it immediately when picking them up. The shallow rim can negatively affect backhand (slippage), but I feel it aids in easier releases sidearm.
No dome at all on either disc. Very flat. I've never seen a Flick with dome. I don't know if Stilettos ever have dome or not.
Remarkably similar looking flights, both backhand and sidearm. Thrown flat, the Flick and Stiletto will start fading pretty much immediately. Very consistent, super overstable flights. Both discs are easy to aim for that reason. You know exactly how they'll fly and where they'll end up.
The Stiletto is faster and longer than the Flick. The few throws I devoted to sheer distance rips, I noticed about 25' difference between the two. The Stiletto did 360' a couple times, and the Flick only did about 330'. Sidearm I was right at about 300' with both of them. A note: I'm not a remarkable sidearm thrower. It isn't something I do in the field for sheer distance practice.
From a glide standpoint, neither disc was impressive (nor were they supposed to be). However, the Stiletto definitely out-glided the Flick. That, coupled with a later fade made the Stiletto longer.
Both discs fade hard, but the Flick faded harder and sooner than the Stiletto. When these discs land, they do so like lawn darts, at a 45 degree angle. I threw both discs on severe anhyzer angles a few times. That was the only way I was able to get any real distance out of them. Both discs fight out of an anny quickly.
Conclusions: The Flick and Stiletto are two pretty hardcore overstable drivers. Neither mold glides, nor are they affected by wind. The two discs fly almost exactly the same, but the Flick glides a little less and fades harder than the Stiletto. My only concern with the Stiletto is the Opto plastic. As hard as this disc lands, that plastic gets chewed up fairly quickly. Discraft's Z plastic is way more durable. Thrown hard and anny I was able to get 25-30' more out of the Stiletto over the Flick consistently.
My numbers:
Flick: 12, 3, 1, 5. I'm going to stick with the factory numbers here. The Flick doesn't even pretend to fly flat, and it has a LOT of late fade. No glide to speak of either.
Stiletto: 14, 4, 1, 4. The Stiletto is fast. I'm going to bump the speed up to 14 on this one. It also has a little glide. The late fade also isn't quite as abrupt as the Flick. I wonder if the Stiletto breaks in and gets flippier. I know Opto plastic isn't super durable. Honestly, the disc this reminds me of most is the Gladiator. They have remarkably similar flights, and I don't know why L64 even has them both in the lineup.
