the Duff
Birdie Member
I'm kind of in the same boat. I have two in the bag, a Ti and this freak of an ESP with a super low PLH that I got from DD. It has a team bar stamp. They both fly completely different. I was using the Ti for windy fairways about 250-300 feet. The Pred would probably do just as well at this and be a more versatile disc. I was using the ESP for turnover shots 250-300. I've been playing with a new ESP XL to see if it would do this job better but its a little light I think (166). It won't turn back over. The XL was one of my first discs, so what I remember it flying like as a noob is totally different now. I guess I'll try a heavier one too.