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Highbridge Hills - Wisconsin

Sorry!- This is a long one. TLDR version: I'm asking what is HH trying to be. We are deep into the second summer of new management and I'm curious about what is the specific vision? What is the direction?

I've been going to HH once or twice a year for the past 8 years. Tom has been a huge improvement over JJ but after my second trip of the year to HH I have some questions. I guess it boils down to one big question that I will try to explain. What is HH trying to be?

I most recently played Granite and Blueberry. I was excited to hear that Granite got a second set of baskets but after playing it there are some real head scratchers. I guess when I first started making trips to HH, much of the excitement was around playing the courses from 2007 worlds. But it has been apparent for a while now that time had passed by some of the holes at HH and I was looking forward to an upgrade and was still excited to have the option of throwing the old placements on Granite which are still super fun. Some of the new basket placements are fantastic. Some are most definitely more difficult. Some, like hole 2 don't seem more difficult but at least it is a different and very interesting and fun shot. I love it. Hole 16 however, is a real turd for serious playability. I just don't get it. A small spot of murky gross water OB right before the basket is going to play super flukey and I would be pissed if I lost a disc in that. Also I saw on hole 6 a bunch of brush was being cleared out behind the basket all the way down to the water. I assume the basket is going to be moved down closer to the water and I don't understand what the expectation is on how the hole is supposed to be played. Throw a good shot and get lucky enough to hit a tree not too soon but also not get so lucky that you miss all the trees and go sploosh? Some of these holes I can see being fun if you are cracking beers with your friends and having chuckles with your buddies when a disc goes in the water, but is that what HH is trying to be? I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I'm just confused by what is happening on Granite. A real mixed bag. Like 6 or 7 different disc golfers of various playing skill and design experience were each given 2-3 holes to place baskets without knowing anything else about the rest of the course or what the others were doing. The new baskets on 6 and 16 are aesthetically pleasing, sure. Once they get cleaned up a little more they would probably look great on the Innova calendar but they are going to play terrible.

Another thing that bugged me slightly was some of the grass cutting off the fairways. The grass cutting has been a HUGE improvement over the JJ days, but there are many spots just off the fairway where the tall grass and other low foliage is just terrible. As an example I love the re-design for hole 3 Blueberry but the tall grass could definitely be pushed back and a brush cutter or heavy duty whip could get some of the short stuff off the right side of the fairway. There were many places on Granite and Blueberry that should have had fairway grass cut wider and low shrubbery thinned or removed. I couldn't help but think time spent on clearing Granite 6 and 16 longs would have been better spent trimming some holes better. So again I'm asking, what is HH trying to be? It is certainly still a magical place for hippies to throw frisbees in the woods and it is a fantastic place for a group of bros getaway, which I love - don't get me wrong. However, if it is trying to be a high caliber collection of courses then some of the details like trimming the sides of and off the fairways are important.

So what is HH trying to be? Is there a vision? Is there a specific vision? What are some of the specifics of how that vision will be achieved? Is there a timeline for that vision? Has the process to achieve that vision been thought through and things like time, materials, money, and man hours been estimated? I don't expect an answer to that last question but rather would just like to know if it has been studied and thought out.

It is obvious that great effort has been put in at HH and work is getting done, but I guess I'm not seeing a concerted effort at HH. JJ's mess is getting cleaned up, but it has been a year and a half now under new management and teepads are worn and cracked, tee signs could be replaced (even if temp ones) and while maintenance is certainly good enough for very playable courses it could be better, all the while there seems to be some mucking about going on. I don't expect all of these improvements to happen overnight but for the second summer of the resurrection I was expecting a start on some things like teepad and tee sign replacement.

It takes me a little under 2 hours to get to HH and I go there about once a year. If I knew that HH was trying to become more than a good cleaned up version of what it was under JJ (and knew specifically what that was) then I would probably want to go there more to help support that effort with my money. Others probably would as well.

So, what is HH trying to be?

Oof and yikes.

Well so far, they've held 4(?) PDGA tournaments, are running sanctioned leagues (great for those of us that are 40 minutes away), added 36 brand new Chainstar Pros (arguably the best basket on the market) to two of the courses (new permanent baskets are coming for Blueberry soon as well), added a brand new proshop with an up to date selection of discs and equipment (thanks for selling me that Zuca Steve!), cleared up and widened countless fairways (Granite 3 comes to mind, as well as half of Bear, which was unplayable when John owned the place), added back in original holes (Woodland 9), added OG pin positions and new challenging ones (Granite 16 literally JUST got finished, it will be gorgeous and a good risk reward pin once it is cleaned up), successfully rerouted Blueberry and imo kept it as fun as the original, and the mowing is kept up incredibly well. If you can't land on the fairway on Blueberry 3 it's definitely on you.

Not to mention all the infrastructure improvements, i.e. the gravel on the entrance, the water access, the new portapottys, the campsites, the licensing for said operations, and the equipment needed to mow all the courses.

I'd say that gives me a pretty damn good idea of what they're going for here - to be the best destination around for disc golf that can attract both top pros and rec players. Hell James Conrad was already here, Adam Hammes is good friends with Tom, makes me think there pros will be spotted alot here in the future, and who knows maybe a A Tier or better?

And all this was accomplished with an incredibly small team. I'm sorry if this seemed like I took this personal but Highbridge is essentially a set of home courses for me and I am floored that you can't see the progress that I have been seeing.
 
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I find it astounding that someone can't see the improvements happening up there. It's like night and day from the last time I was up there in 2013.

That's part of the reason I hadn't gone for so long, the place was in neglect under JJ. And by the sound of things it had only gotten worse.

I was up there the first or second week of May and it was phenomenal. I'll be up there again this weekend. I'm probably going to try to get up there in October if possible.

I've played damn near 500 courses and this is hands down my favorite place. I guess you can't please everyone.
 
Sorry!- This is a long one. TLDR version: I'm asking what is HH trying to be. We are deep into the second summer of new management and I'm curious about what is the specific vision? What is the direction?

Ugh. Posts like this are why people who toil to make disc golf a better experience for the rest of us get discouraged and decide to stop putting forth effort. So many players seem to forget that our sport is still very much in a non-financially viable, DIY phase of growth. Highbridge Hills is not a country club development in Southern California. This is a labor of love in the middle of nowhere (sorry Wisconsin fam; you know I love you :D). Instead of saying

"If I knew that HH was trying to become more than a good cleaned up version of what it was under JJ (and knew specifically what that was) then I would probably want to go there more to help support that effort with my money"

why not go

"I can't believe the progress that's been made at HH toward quite literally resurrecting it from the dead! And in less than two seasons to boot! I'll support this ENORMOUS, concerted effort to make HH great again with my hard-earned money, which I can exchange for a golf experience superior to any trip made under the Jokinen regime!"

Tl;dr: Progress takes time. Make progress happen quicker by encouraging it, not minimizing it.
 
Darkgreen's post is just like we see on every tournament page, when the local pro finds out about the atrocity of painted, dashed circle 1 lines, instead of solid. :eek::eek::eek:
 
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Bear will be eventually getting several new holes when volunteer time is available and then... there are several hopes that will eventually become more organized plans. You'll just have to stay tuned.

If you are going to have a big volunteer work day, let us know on here. With a week or two notice, I could be up there most any weekend, and would love to donate some time.
 
If you are going to have a big volunteer work day, let us know on here. With a week or two notice, I could be up there most any weekend, and would love to donate some time.
daCrippler can let people on here know when's a good time for work days. But since every day is a workday at HH, just let them know when you're available and they'll have enough projects to keep you and a crew busy. Your efforts will be much appreciated.
 
I'll be back in the area sometime between 9/14 and 9/30. Not sure which side of that trip I will be there yet. I have no plans and no one else coming on the trip, so I can certainly hang out for a bit and help out.
 
I find it astounding that someone can't see the improvements happening up there. It's like night and day from the last time I was up there in 2013.

That's part of the reason I hadn't gone for so long, the place was in neglect under JJ. And by the sound of things it had only gotten worse.

I was up there the first or second week of May and it was phenomenal. I'll be up there again this weekend. I'm probably going to try to get up there in October if possible.

I've played damn near 500 courses and this is hands down my favorite place. I guess you can't please everyone.

I saw many improvements there. I mentioned some of them and I am grateful for them. You have to very selectively read my post to not see that. I love HH.
 
I saw many improvements there. I mentioned some of them and I am grateful for them. You have to very selectively read my post to not see that. I love HH.

If you can't tell how poorly it came off, I think you are selectively reading your own post.

It's reads like "It's cool, and improved a bit, but...here's my huge list of complaints"
 
I saw many improvements there. I mentioned some of them and I am grateful for them. You have to very selectively read my post to not see that. I love HH.

We must've all selectively read it then.
 
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I saw many improvements there. I mentioned some of them and I am grateful for them. You have to very selectively read my post to not see that. I love HH.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. They will be evaluated and addressed as needed.

As far as the vision, short term, we are improving our brand through accountability. With a destination course such as Highbridge, we believe having assurance the courses will be maintained, reservations or scheduled events are honored, and transparency maintained about the status of operations is essential to our guest. This was lacking in prior years as I'm sure you are aware. So our short term vision is to revitalize a tarnished brand through accountability which will help us determine a long term vision.
Long term it is still undetermined how much revenue we expect to generate in a season. The struggles of being in an isolated location have been well documented in this thread. Personally, I think that our long term vision will be more modest than the retirement homes, tree houses, and water slides promised by the prior regime. The goal is sustainable disc golf for the extended future. Ultimately it is people like yourself that will determine what a sustainable operation at Highbridge looks like.
Thank you for your continued patronage, we definitely need and appreciate support from disc golfers like yourself.
 
daCrippler can let people on here know when's a good time for work days. But since every day is a workday at HH, just let them know when you're available and they'll have enough projects to keep you and a crew busy. Your efforts will be much appreciated.

Add me to that list! I'm about a 3 hour drive, and would love an excuse to come up anyways! Would love to donate some time to a fantastic cause!
 

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