It is completely relative to the ratings of the players that are on the course that day. The SSA is entirely calculated from the way players with established ratings shoot that day, it doesn't take the course or other events into account at all.
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It is completely relative to the ratings of the players that are on the course that day. The SSA is entirely calculated from the way players with established ratings shoot that day, it doesn't take the course or other events into account at all.
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are you suggesting that an established professional cannot accurately gauge scratch to within +/-5 strokes on his home course?
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sorry throws i meant or you wont answer.
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I bet that the main variation in SSAs is caused by league play being populated by a much higher proportion of newer players than is typical at tournaments. If they have few rated rounds and are quickly improving, "ratings lag" could be contributing a lot to lower SSAs....and lower round ratings for established players.
Can anyone participating in leagues comment on this?
Can anyone participating in leagues comment on this?
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I'd say experienced pros can determine SSA within +/-5 most of the time usually over versus underestimating. Even I can't do it closer than around +/- 3 most of the time unless I poke the numbers into our Hole Forecaster which gets within +/- 1.5.
Is it likely that all those new players would be propagators though?
Yup.....and when only 4 or so are used the results come out pretty crazy.
SSE on here is 51.2......which just furthers my problems trying to understand what SSE is.
47 has been the benchmark 1000 rated round and all of a sudden it becomes a 960 due to all the props...either having lag or just being better than their rating on this particular course.
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What course and what configuration? Can you provide links to league results and tournament results using the same layout?
SSE is explained here
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/faq.php?mode=show&id=43
SSE is explained here
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/faq.php?mode=show&id=43
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An explanation that might make you happy is that all TX players rated over 1000 are way overrated.
Results from the league http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/95531%2526s%3D1829231521
This year's event http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/87195/Open
Last year's http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/64500/Open
Pecan Park In Nacogdoches, TX
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=867
Think they need to update a few holes as well....and we played Pecan the 3rd round of both events
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An explanation that might make you happy is that all TX players rated over 1000 are way overrated.
Yea like Brad Williams....Who beat Feldberg to win An a-tier this year and has made nearly $8,000 without leaving the state.
He also got 2nd at the Player's cup, won an A-tier on Climo's course, Tied Climo for 1st at the Master's Cup.....and beat him while competing in his first worlds
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jcrab66
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are they playing that league from a different park or different tees from week to week? One of those dudes got a 54, which was only rated 834 and the week before it was 894....strange
jcrab66
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bradley's a really fine disc golfer who isnt afraid to show the world how big a dbag he can be....
Truth!
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this may be the wrong thread but since it has chucks attention is there an updated version of the pdga player ratings distribution. the last one i have is from year ending 2008.
http://www.pdga.com/files/u10/Ratings2008YearEnd.gif
http://www.pdga.com/files/u10/Ratings2008YearEnd.gif
Cgkdisc
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No. But in spot checking over the years, the relative percentages remain similar. I think PDGA average rating is 907 last I looked.
Yup, they are def lower rated, im not a big fan of it because you have to put in ur pdga number to play, I wish it was an option to be rated or to not be rated
Cgkdisc
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The ratings calculations are based on random collections of players. If players can choose, only those who think they can get good ratings in leagues would play which would depress the SSA even more.
ratings are screwed in general. Good things ratings don't win tournaments. It is probably the #1 worst thing implemented by the PDGA in 20+ years. Was much better when you played in the division that you thought you should be in, not what a rating suggests. I wish they were never created.
And I wish Chuck for once in his life would admit that he/they are wrong. Any given rating during any round can and does vary by around 25 +/- depending on who is playing or how they play that day.
And I wish Chuck for once in his life would admit that he/they are wrong. Any given rating during any round can and does vary by around 25 +/- depending on who is playing or how they play that day.
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