[Innova] Is my Viking really a Viking?

[LBlackburn]

Hi,

I'm not really that good at disc golf (even though I've been playing for 16 years). I got a Valkyrie this year and like it. I throw it (RHBH) on average about 275 feet (with some rare throws up to 315 feet) with what I think is a gentle S-curve. But when I try to throw it farther (by reaching back further, or rotating more, or following advice I read) I usually end up turning it over (or maybe just an anhyzer?) and it curves to the right and never comes back--ends up at about 220-260 feet. So, I went to the Innova web site to look for another disc. I can't really throw the very fast drivers, so I tried to go one step up from the Valkyrie. I thought this would be the Viking, which according to the numbers should be slightly harder to turn over than a Valkyrie and should fade harder to the left at the end. But when I throw my Viking with the same throw as my Valkyrie, it turns over immediately and goes way to the right and flies much shorter. I've thrown the Viking a couple of hundred times now and all it does is turn over and go short. In fact, as far as I understand the terms, it is the most understable disc in my bag (including my putters and mids). Is this the way a Viking is supposed to be? I know I am throwing it horribly like everything else, but still....

Thanks for any input.

 

[MDethCKR]

I'll let people ask more about form after this, but

What plastic is the valk?
What plastic is the viking?

champion valk = more stable than dx viking (while they are new)

 

[Pink Elephant]

I would guess OAT problems my friend.

 

[DiscChucker]

I would guess OAT problems my friend.

I 2nd this thought. I'm betting that you're turning your wrist over big time too. If you're turning over a Viking (without OAT), it's going to turn over at distances closer to the 350' mark; not 220'-260'.

If you haven't already, do a search for OAT (off axis torque). There are some excellent threads on this subject that explain it in great detail.

 

[WillACarpenter]

The Valkyrie can resist turning over at distances MUCH higher than you're currently throwing.

I have a 150 valkyrie that doesn't flip that bad.

you need to correct your form, and try some hyzer releases.

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[jrawk]

I have had a Champion Viking 165g and DX Viking 168, both worn at the same level. The DX was much more flippy. Night and day difference. The Champion i really liked. But it got run over by a lawn mower post throw.

 

[WillACarpenter]

I have had a Champion Viking 165g and DX Viking 168, both worn at the same level. The DX was much more flippy. Night and day difference. The Champion i really liked. But it got run over by a lawn mower post throw.

did you have to throw from the largest piece?

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[jrawk]

LOL. it didn't shatter. just had some real big gouges and crazy warpage. Disc Dog was nice enough to let me re-tee. (Newport New DGC - they don't like when you play while they're mowing).

 

[scarwig]

I have a champ Valkyrie that is stamped as a Viking. I bought it to disc up from the valk.

check the pen where it has the weight. Does it say VL?

 

[LBlackburn]

Thanks everyone.

The Valk is Champion and the Viking is DX as some suspected. (I don't have them with me--I'll look for the "VL" next to the weight.)

I know I have all kinds of throwing problems, but I think I was throwing both discs the same way (badly).

I never heard of OAT (off axis torque), I'll look into it. Thanks. I also realize that the discs aren't supposed to turn over that early. Sometimes they don't. My form is inconsistent. Since I posted, I went out and threw my Valkyries some more. Some of them turned over a lot (and I don't think just due to an anhyzer release), but many of them didn't. I had a few in the 290-310 range that mostly went straight and faded at the end. But I'm getting into new topics for another forum I guess.

Thanks again.

 

[Tim_the_Enchanter]

Vikings are also notorious for being an inconsistent mold. Though they err on the side of overstability. I have a 175 viking that flies as advertised, and a 163 that flies like friggin' firebird, both are champ.

But yeah, cranking things over like that sounds more like form issues.