Follow up... Took out one of the 168 aqua cannons last night and it shows no turn @ 400+' couldn't push it out as far as my frost bolt or light 2nd run outlaw, but I'm sure after a few more throws, hit a couple things, get used to it, it has potential to be the longest golf disc in my bag. One other thing to note that I'm sure adds to the stability, the fight plate on these cannons is noticeably thin, have not had a ton of pinnacle plastic but I've never seen flight plates so thin on legacy discs I've owned. To me this means all the weight is in the giant rim, gyroish I dare say.