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Let's discuss the caddy/kids rule
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Crowd control, ticket determinations and sales and volunteer staffing is all on the TD and volunteer staff.
biscoe
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Not entirely for DGPT events. Ticket sales is on DGPT. Ticket determination is a shared process as is crowd control. Volunteer staffing is on the TD.
dmoore1998
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Is it? I don't have any particular insight other than having a DGPT event near us last year and this year...and the TD seems to have near total control over ticket sales and ticket determination. Maybe they're just the mouthpiece for shared and/or DGPT decisions. They certainly "seem" to be the one deciding pretty much everything though. If the idea is just presenting a single voice for shared decisions, they're doing an excellent job of that aspect.
biscoe
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I am running a Silver Series later this year. They sell the tickets.
dmoore1998
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Can you expand on "they sell the tickets"? All I see as a community member for the event nearby is the TD posting and showing up to live events trying to encourage people to buy tickets. I guess that's the part I see as "selling". The transactions all seem to happen on the DGPT site, but I don't see them doing any active selling. I'm just curious if they're doing active selling, or you're saying "they sell the tickets" meaning they do the transactions on their site as the extent of their piece of selling.
I don't really know how much of that is "his job" vs just trying to generate interest in his event because he wants people to be interested in his event.
It's more curiosity than anything given that the public-facing side seemed to be nearly a one-man show run by the TD from tickets to course prep to volunteers.
biscoe
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They sell the tickets through their site, handle that revenue, etc. - local promotion of such is certainly on the TD.
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This really isn't related to the topic of this thread, but it is a rules question brought up in a different thread, and I didn't want to start a new thread for this.
Is the underlined a rules violation?
If so, what rule is being violated?
Is the underlined a rules violation?
If so, what rule is being violated?
Is it a rules violation? No. Is it questionable practice? Yes (i.e., liability if the non-registered player is injured.)
BillFleming
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I think Competition Manual 1.01 Player Eligibility covers this...kind of. Since they were playing with the group, they were in the tournament. There is the insurance issue...but I think this would be the rule to cover it.
The players did not pay the fee under #2 above.
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But the player in question wasn't competing.
Just a casual player.
DiscinOhio & cardmates (who were competing in the event), only had 3 people on their card.
So they allowed this casual player to play along with their card, as a courtesy to that person.
Yes it's highly irregular, but doesn't seem like anyone violated any rule.
As for insurance issue: I don't see how it's any different than if a casual player were playing between two cards that were registered in the event.
Just a casual player.
DiscinOhio & cardmates (who were competing in the event), only had 3 people on their card.
So they allowed this casual player to play along with their card, as a courtesy to that person.
Yes it's highly irregular, but doesn't seem like anyone violated any rule.
As for insurance issue: I don't see how it's any different than if a casual player were playing between two cards that were registered in the event.
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Did the tournament rent the park with an agreement that no one else can play during the tournament?
If not, how is someone playing a disc golf course available to the public causing any liability for anyone?
If not, how is someone playing a disc golf course available to the public causing any liability for anyone?
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Doesn't sound like TD reserved the course.
When all is said and done,this appears to be a, "Nothing to see here. Please move along," type situation.
When all is said and done,this appears to be a, "Nothing to see here. Please move along," type situation.
Things may be different in your area, but around here you need a permit from P&R to hold a tournament on a course in a public park, which grants tournament participants exclusive use of the course during the event (P&R CAN and WILL [and HAS] remove[d] non-participants who ignore[d] that exclusive use), and you can't get a permit without providing a certificate of insurance covering tournament staff, volunteers, and participants (note that the PDGA COI explicitly limits coverage to staff, event volunteers, and registered participants.) The grant of exclusive use of the course creates a potential liability issue because a non-registered player may be deemed a de facto participant in the event.
Whether or not the TD reserved exclusive use of the course for the tournament, and whether or not the local jurisdiction will grant exclusive use of a course for an approved event,TDs are required to obtain approval from the property owner (i.e., reserve the course) prior to applying for sanctioning.
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Thank you, that is why I asked.
From what I hear, sometimes TDs may have the option to request exclusive use of the course (costing more $$$), or non-exclusive use (less $$$, but have to deal with random folks showing up to play a round).
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Was going to start a new thread to get this answered asap but hopefully here will work.
Playing in a C tier...in torrential rain...and a young mother is playing in the event whilst pushing around her baby in a buggy, around 6 months old.
We were rightfully told we couldn't play with our dogs in tow, rightfully so of course, but we're oddly reminded of the rule despite playing and running events for over a decade.
It has in no way effected us apart from watching the craziness of negotiating a flooded course with a buggy from afar, but as a rules violation should we call it to ensure it doesn't happen round 2.
Playing in a C tier...in torrential rain...and a young mother is playing in the event whilst pushing around her baby in a buggy, around 6 months old.
We were rightfully told we couldn't play with our dogs in tow, rightfully so of course, but we're oddly reminded of the rule despite playing and running events for over a decade.
It has in no way effected us apart from watching the craziness of negotiating a flooded course with a buggy from afar, but as a rules violation should we call it to ensure it doesn't happen round 2.
discgolfbandit
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Which worries me for sure...its the kid of a popular MPO player too....so yay.
But aren't we meant to call things that go against the official rules.
BillFleming
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Have the TD call the PDGA Director of Event Support for the ruling. Contact info is in the Competition Manual...introduction
