Okay, I'm sorry but this is hilarious and ridiculous. Mike has amazing form and he throws well over 500 feet. Dude can push putters close to 400. How far do YOU throw Dr. Smooth? I daresay Mike's videos of him throwing MVP discs amazingly well are one of the reasons that a bunch of people on this forum first even tried the brand; I know that was what got me to first try MVP back in the day. Just because the dude is ripped doesn't mean he is "muscling the disc over." Mike throws annies when he wants to show the disc on an anny line and hyzers when he wants to show the disc on a hyzer line plain and simple.