PD vs Surge

[Nick C]

I'm looking for some comments on how these are similar and different. I've always had a surge in my bag either in ESP and Elite-Z. They work really well for me but I've seen a lot of these PD's and wanted to know how the 2 compare. I'm sure there are a lot of comparisons because of the different plastics but any comments would be appreciated

 

[ManU]

PD probably has a smaller rim but I think they are rated at the same speed (10) but the PD should probably be a 9

the PD is available in a wider range of plastics in all weight ranges
the PD is more HSS (call it a 0 whereas a Surge might be -1)
the Surge is similar to a Wraith
the PD is "a faster Teebird"

the different plastics of the PD allow you to cover a broader range of shots with one mold
the C-PD is almost Firebird stable
the P-PD can beat up for longer straighter and turnovers
the S-PD errr (loss of words)

 

[coolhand]

is the pd flat or domey?

 

[Johnson]

Somewhat domey.

 

[jtbingster]

Who makes the PD?

 

[matrix2113]

discmania

 

[ManU]

innova

Firebird bottom and "anhyzer" top

 

[j-bolt]

Discmania

AKA - Innova West?

Edit: Beat x2

 

[Pwingles]

my C and P PD were flat as hell, my 2 S's are sexy. It varies though, ive heard of flat star and domey P. The Star ones i have arent like pro boss domey, they are nicely domed and look great. I got a crappy P that was a flipper out of the box and flat as hell. I hear good things about the P from people who have lower arm speed. Would perhaps be a good compliment to a Pro wraith, PWr/SPD combo

* Innova west... so far west we could call it east, FYP Jbolt

 

[Waddly Hobbins]

the PD is available in a wider range of plastics in all weight ranges

I disagree.

Surge available in:
Pro-D
Elite-X
Elite-Z
ESP
FLX

PD available in:
P-Line
S-Line
C-Line (limited runs)

As far as OP is concerned, PD = slower and more high speed stable than Surge.

 

[chrishysell]

I disagree.

Surge available in:
Pro-D
Elite-X
Elite-Z
ESP
FLX

PD available in:
P-Line
S-Line
C-Line (limited runs)

As far as OP is concerned, PD = slower and more high speed stable than Surge.

and then there are Surge SS's in multiple plastics as well as SuperColor Surges, proto surges and flat top surges.

 

[jdggna]

As far as OP is concerned, PD = slower and more high speed stable than Surge.

The PD's stability varies greatly across the plastics. Champion PDs are very similar to Preds/Firebirds. The best way to describe the S-Line PDs is as a faster Eagle-X. I've always thought they fly the way an Orc is supposed to fly. The P-PDs vary greatly. I've had a 165g that was very stable (Teebird-esque) and a 172g that is very understable (more so than any Sidewinder I've thrown). Recently people have stated they've had P-PDs more stable than S-Lines.

 

[Nick C]

So from what I'm hearing the Surge will take more of an S-Line with fade at the end where the S-PD will hold a straighter line with some fade at the end?

 

[CwAlbino]

The PD's stability varies greatly across the plastics. Champion PDs are very similar to Preds/Firebirds. The best way to describe the S-Line PDs is as a faster Eagle-X. I've always thought they fly the way an Orc is supposed to fly. The P-PDs vary greatly. I've had a 165g that was very stable (Teebird-esque) and a 172g that is very understable (more so than any Sidewinder I've thrown). Recently people have stated they've had P-PDs more stable than S-Lines.

From throwing yours I think they throw a lot like avengers actually. The one took the exact line my semi beat X Avengers use. And your "champ" one flies like my Z Avenger. That thing did bomb though

I think Avengers are to PD's as Sabres are to Teebirds. Takes a little more power on the Avengers.

 

[strive]

These two discs are having a fist fight in my bag right now because my P-PD (fairly beaten in) flies much like my esp surge... the surge seems to get a little more D but the PD throws effortlessly... and is noticeably longer than my TB (probably more to do with my arm) but not as far as my surge... I feel more comfortable with the PD in a headwind too... so basically according to Joe's they fly similarly but the surge is a touch faster and has a wider rim...

 

[OcDiscGolf]

I just picked up a 150 P-PD on a whim (I already had a 166). It is very very interesting - it will flip right out of the box with just a touch of anny or hold a gentle hyzer line with a flat release.

 

[ManU]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManU
the PD is available in a wider range of plastics in all weight ranges

"I disagree.

Surge available in:
Pro-D
Elite-X
Elite-Z
ESP
FLX

PD available in:
P-Line
S-Line
C-Line (limited runs)"

what I said was that the PD was available in a wider range of plastics across weights

if I want an Elite X Surge I can't get it in anything OTHER THAN 150 class

I forgot that Discraft also ran a bunch of shat Pro D and FLX versions

 

[skurf]

I just picked up a 150 P-PD on a whim (I already had a 166). It is very very interesting - it will flip right out of the box with just a touch of anny or hold a gentle hyzer line with a flat release.

I nominate this for most confusing post of the day.

 

[Johnson]

Eh, I guess it kinda makes sense....

 

[Waddly Hobbins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManU

if I want an Elite X Surge I can't get it in anything OTHER THAN 150 class

I didn't realize that is all they were producing elite x in atm. All the stores I frequent still have Elite-X Surges available in 165-174.