Knockahomalc
Newbie
If the disc lands and stays in the top of the basket, is this in or out? Thanks.
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If the disc lands and stays in the top of the basket, is this in or out? Thanks.
Out...but it is not a penalty.
True. On your next turn you mark your lie directly below the disc and drop it in. I'm always hoping the wind will blow it off and into the basket but I know that isn't going to happen! :\
Curtis
Even if the wind did blow it off and into the basket, you still haven't holed out. You would replace it on top of the basket, mark underneath, and drop in.
Even if the wind did blow it off and into the basket, you still haven't holed out. You would replace it on top of the basket, mark underneath, and drop in.
Not if the disc falls in within a short[1-20 secs] time period after it lands on top. Had it happen on #4 Ann Mo doubles. The birdie counted.
802.02 Establishing Position
A. The thrown disc establishes a position where it first comes to rest.
B. A disc is considered to be at rest once it is no longer moving as a result of the momentum imparted by the throw. A disc in water or foliage is considered to be at rest once it is moving only as a result of movement of the water, the foliage, or the wind.
Not exactly:
If it came to rest, and then falls in the basket after, most likely because of wind, it does not count.
"The thrown disc establishes a position where it first comes to rest." That is an important concept which provides a basis for many other rules. Once a position has been established,
it remains even if the disc moves, no matter how that happens. The following rules
are now related to establishing position: disc above/below ground, broken disc, and disc in water or foliage.
My mistake for not being clear about what happened. The disc was bobbing on the edge of the top rim in the wind, and as I started walking towards the basket, it fell in[less than 10 secs]. As it had never established an "at rest" position, the basket counted.
802.02 Establishing Position
B. A disc is considered to be at rest once it is no longer moving as a result of the momentum imparted by the throw. A disc in water or foliage is considered to be at rest once it is moving only as a result of movement of the water, the foliage, or the wind.
If it's bobbing in the wind and no longer moving of it's own inertia, it's at rest.
802.02 ... A disc in water or foliage is considered to be at rest once it is moving only as a result of movement of the water, the foliage, or the wind.
Note that this passage strictly deals with water and foliage, nothing else. This case in point is neither.
As a rulebook, this part should probably be expanded.
So I had this happen in a tournament and they counted it but I'm not sure. I putted and had my putt land on the top of the basket and when the next person holed out, the energy of them hitting the basket knocked my disc off the top of the basket and in.
804.03 Interference
C. A thrown disc at rest that has been moved shall be replaced to its approximate position (see 802.02.E).
802.02 Establishing Position
E. If the thrown disc has moved after it first came to rest on the in-bounds playing surface, it shall be replaced to its approximate position. If it first came to rest elsewhere, the disc need not be replaced, and any determinations are made relative to where it first came to rest.
What if it is an elevated basket above 2 meters where the two meter rule is in effect. Would this then be a penalty stroke?
806.01 Two-meter Rule
C. A disc supported by the target is not subject to the two-meter rule.
Two meter rule does not apply to targets.
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Even if it is another hole's basket?