Frank Delicious
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Paul's a little torquey though.
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We do tell people that, but few listen. And whenever someone asks something like "What's the best FH/BH driver?" people answer with their own favorite. And people who throw like shit BH suggest overstable shit for BH, like people who throw like shit FH suggest overstable shit for FH.Mike C said:Why is there such a disconnect in the advice being given for FH and BH? Why don't we tell people to learn to flick a Comet 300' to eliminate OAT, or throw putters for upshots, or disc down etc?
Mike C said:Well why not just fix the OAT? Why is FH exempt from that but BH isn't?
Mike C said:I wonder how much of it is inherent to FH and how much is people simply unwilling to practice the fundamentals.
Fightingthetide said:We still don't know how far the OP can throw FH. I just browsed through these three pages, and I couldn't help but wonder if we were misleading him (assuming his D isn't past 300' on FH). IMO, an Eagle-x or something in that speed range is going to be the best to learn correct form. It's still stable enough to handle some OAT, but it's not like throwing an Ape/Destroyer/etc with a stupid amount of OAT and never knowing it. You gotta learn somehow. Slow, less stable discs are what will improve your game.
On a 200' hole at a local course, I saw a guy throw a champ 11/12 speed driver on forehand. It was flying through the air like a dying duck, did a big s-curve through the woods, and then smashed into the chains for an ace. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I personally wouldn't count that as an ace. I also didn't have the heart to tell him that he needed to use a putter on that shot next time. I guess I'm just surprised that the "best" forum for disc golf is suggesting very overstable plastic for a thrower who might or might not have good form or distance.
jubuttib said:Many forehanders can throw a damn sight faster than backhanders, but still lose in distance to them. Ville Piippo for example easily had around 12 mph on the BH throwers in a distance competition, but still lost to them by 60'. This seems to suggest a lack of spin, and I doubt any FH thrower can totally overcome this handicap.
And I'm not saying that the difference is huge, especially at the top level, but it's large enough to give an edge to BH throwers.
jubuttib said:Many forehanders can throw a damn sight faster than backhanders, but still lose in distance to them. Ville Piippo for example easily had around 12 mph on the BH throwers in a distance competition, but still lost to them by 60'. This seems to suggest a lack of spin, and I doubt any FH thrower can totally overcome this handicap.
And I'm not saying that the difference is huge, especially at the top level, but it's large enough to give an edge to BH throwers.
jbl said:Ok, I need to clarify some stuff.
Basically I want to learn how to throw sidearm for my main drive in an open fairway and anhyzer shots. I also want to have a clean backhand for hyzer shots. I have a pretty steady backhand as it is, and I can throw about 350' if the drive is right. I have been tweaking it, though, so that I am using less and less power from the arm and gaining more power from the body. So it gets wacky from time to time. I'm still fine tuning it but I am getting more distance as time goes on.
But as far as my sidearm, I am realizing that you can generate some obscene distances with it. Not only that, but I feel like it comes easier to me.
I am willing to put in the work to get down this shot, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated. For example, is there a certain disc I should practice with in order to generate proper technique? Any discers I should check out to get an idea of what I am going for?
JR said:Fightingthetide said:We still don't know how far the OP can throw FH. I just browsed through these three pages, and I couldn't help but wonder if we were misleading him (assuming his D isn't past 300' on FH). IMO, an Eagle-x or something in that speed range is going to be the best to learn correct form. It's still stable enough to handle some OAT, but it's not like throwing an Ape/Destroyer/etc with a stupid amount of OAT and never knowing it. You gotta learn somehow. Slow, less stable discs are what will improve your game.
On a 200' hole at a local course, I saw a guy throw a champ 11/12 speed driver on forehand. It was flying through the air like a dying duck, did a big s-curve through the woods, and then smashed into the chains for an ace. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I personally wouldn't count that as an ace. I also didn't have the heart to tell him that he needed to use a putter on that shot next time. I guess I'm just surprised that the "best" forum for disc golf is suggesting very overstable plastic for a thrower who might or might not have good form or distance.
Actually for a sub 300' thrower a new Eagle X would not be a good training tool because it's too HSS. It will mask a lot of OAT. A Leopard would better training tool for them in other plastics as DX. Break in a DX and you are likely to get a frustrated thrower that may drop FH altogether.
jbl said:Basically I want to learn how to throw sidearm for my main drive in an open fairway and anhyzer shots. I also want to have a clean backhand for hyzer shots. I have a pretty steady backhand as it is, and I can throw about 350' if the drive is right. I have been tweaking it, though, so that I am using less and less power from the arm and gaining more power from the body. So it gets wacky from time to time. I'm still fine tuning it but I am getting more distance as time goes on.
But as far as my sidearm, I am realizing that you can generate some obscene distances with it. Not only that, but I feel like it comes easier to me.
I am willing to put in the work to get down this shot, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated. For example, is there a certain disc I should practice with in order to generate proper technique? Any discers I should check out to get an idea of what I am going for?