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I filmed myself and realized I was using a hop instead of an x-step
Nothing exaggerated like some of the pros but I guess I should be trying to emulate their form on my quest for distance
Yeah early last year when I was doing essentially a GG double hop a guy at the course advised me to "get rid of that funky hop", and I replied "well that's not going to be easy". So I went to youtube and found GG and Brinster hopping, and most other pros doing varying degrees of x-step hops and realized the hop in some form is more the norm than the exception. I settled on the basic x-step mini hop to simplify things in order to work on other aspects of form. But I still believe the GG double hop provides more forward momentum which translates into more distance if everything is timed right. Hopping is under rated lol.
I've been wondering the same thing.so, how on earth does one develop the timing on with the hop? It seems to add an extra variable to the equation.
It doesn't change the timing of the throw.so, how on earth does one develop the timing on with the hop? It seems to add an extra variable to the equation.
I've been wondering the same thing.
I understand adding a hop to my run up generates more power compared to a normal X step. I just find it a lot harder to keep my timing consistent. My throws lose accuracy but gain a little distance when my timing is on. The pro hop also seems dangerous in the winter in Wisconsin. A lot of tee pads & fairways are covered in ice. I don't want to have to completely change my form just to play in the winter (pro hop in the summer & x step in the winter). I find the pro hop just adds more room for error. What if you hop higher than you intend? What if your tired & don't hop enough? That would (in my mind) mess with your timing. It just seems like adding more variables & sacrificing accuracy for distance. I really focus on having a slow run up. I achieve much better results in both distance & accuracy that way. The hop speeds up my run up more than I'd like it to.
Trying to emulate brinster's exact hop would be foolish for most folks.
This is his own style. Because, thankfully, we are not droids our style will be versions of what is, hopefully, good clean form.
Good to see people are getting to see steve's beautiful swing. He definitely should be studied more by the disc golf community.
I certainly found more distance early on with a hop in my x-step. It took me a long time to understand how to bring momentum into a fully horizontal x-step/swing.
Others w/ experience encouraged to respond too (esp. thoughts for relatively new players)!
I've heard him talk about that story too, but that statement about hopping is not true, you can simply change the amount of hop, but really it's the plant leg bracing that dictates the power on a shot, not so much the back leg. Lots of top pros hop to some extent which is a completely natural motion. Uli used to do a crow hop where the feet don't cross over which is a bit different than the Brinster hop. Uli also hasn't ever gotten his rating higher than it was with the old crow hop. He never looked comfortable when he tried to change it.Paul Ulibari used to throw with a hop. I heard him tell a story where another pro told him you can't down tempo a hop. He got rid of the hop. I used to throw with a hop and have also gotten rid of it.
IMO our bodies are built to handle vertical force(gravity) more naturally than lateral horizontal force. Knees extend and flex vertically, and do not take too kindly to horizontal or rotational forces. Body type also plays a role in which should be the dominant force.Do you still use both/can say any more about your experience and tradeoffs developing one vs. the other? Still using both? Any wear & tear considerations?
I am still working on solidifying some fundamentals w/standstills. In the meantime, I have been having some success in the gym improving my lower body strength & flexibility with leg plyos. I am starting to wonder if I might find a little hop to be constructive w/ my body type when I get back to improving my x-step. Of course I can just try it out, but I always like to start w/ wisdom!
Others w/ experience encouraged to respond too (esp. thoughts for relatively new players)!
Lots of top pros hop to some extent which is a completely natural motion. Uli used to do a crow hop where the feet don't cross over which is a bit different than the Brinster hop. Uli also hasn't ever gotten his rating higher than it was with the old crow hop. He never looked comfortable when he tried to change it.
IMO being more vertical is more consistent(and efficient) thanks to gravity and being in tune to it like a pendulum clock.@SW22
Do you think there is a difference in shot repeatability/accuracy between powering shots horizontally vs vertically?
@SW22
Do you think there is a difference in shot repeatability/accuracy between powering shots horizontally vs vertically?
IMO being more vertical is more consistent(and efficient) thanks to gravity and being in tune to it like a pendulum clock.
Vertical swing is more consistent releasing straight on your line, but height may vary more.
Horizontal swing might be more consistent in height on your line, but may spray more left/right.
Do you still use both/can say any more about your experience and tradeoffs developing one vs. the other? Still using both? Any wear & tear considerations?
I am still working on solidifying some fundamentals w/standstills. In the meantime, I have been having some success in the gym improving my lower body strength & flexibility with leg plyos. I am starting to wonder if I might find a little hop to be constructive w/ my body type when I get back to improving my x-step. Of course I can just try it out, but I always like to start w/ wisdom!
Others w/ experience encouraged to respond too (esp. thoughts for relatively new players)!
Super interesting. I just paged through some slow mos of top pros to look closely for hops. I didn't realize how many there are.
A few are truly "striding" through the x-step like Eagle and Simon. Dickerson, McBeth, Wysocki, Klein, Jones have baby hops that move quite laterally. Some (like Gibson) will stride at downtempo and then have a little hop for big distance throws.
If you look around, you'll see a big continuum between no hop at all to small lateral hops to big vertical hops (Gurthie).