I've been throwing Wraiths since they were introduced. I've found Pro Wraiths beat into great turn-over discs, or minimal s-turn gliders. They flatten out and float straight for days on a firm hyzer flick. I'm kicking myself for not bringing an extra to my current home country of Vietnam, lost mine to a lotus pond. I'm trying to beat in a Star but it's considerably more overstable and just won't flip and hold, it always fades out. I have an Eco-Star waiting for me stateside that hasn't hit a course yet, but I'm assuming it will be similar. I carry a Destroyer too and can get some turn out of it, but it takes more effort for comparable distance. Wraith love.