Stop asking if you are outside the circle!

DumfriesLizzie said:

I don't think there is a currently-legal technique in disc golf (perhaps other than tapping in) that does not require some degree of skill. Even the obviously-hated step and jump putts. As some have mentioned, if you are throwing after leaving the ground, you just killed some (most?) of your power. Why do that? Also someone mentioned that the forehand was previously a no-no. And probably the roller too at some point. And floppy putters like the Blowfly, I suspect. I say let the sport evolve. Whatever is such a bad idea that a majority of players hate it will die a natural death.

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There's truth there. But if I showed you my highly illegal but still legal flying jump putt you probably would ask that I not do that anymore. That's kind of how I feel about step putting.

Sewer bill said:

There's truth there. But if I showed you my highly illegal but still legal flying jump putt you probably would ask that I not do that anymore. That's kind of how I feel about step putting.

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Slo-mo video, please.

glassila said:

I love when someone is about 45 feet out and asks "am I in or out?" I love it!
I also love when someone is at 28-30 feet and they ask if they are in or out and I say "in" and they get mad. I love it!

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And as soon as they start to walk it off to see, just say "30 seconds." That'll end the bs quickly.

Bonehead said:

And as soon as they start to walk it off to see, just say "30 seconds." That'll end the bs quickly.

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I know you are being snarky, BUT 802.03 A.2 Excessive time gives them a reasonable amount of time to determine the lie, which assumably gives them a reasonable amount of time to determine if their lie is inside or outside the circle.

foxdawg10 said:

I know you are being snarky, BUT 802.03 A.2 Excessive time gives them a reasonable amount of time to determine the lie, which assumably gives them a reasonable amount of time to determine if their lie is inside or outside the circle.

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Assuming a lot, aren't you? Remember, when you assume, you make an ass out of you and yourself. And the next time someone "range finds" C1, ask them if they used the basket, the number plate, or the POLE. If someone is going to ask, the answer they get from the group is THE answer. Otherwise, just do it.

Bonehead said:

Assuming a lot, aren't you? Remember, when you assume, you make an ass out of you and yourself. And the next time someone "range finds" C1, ask them if they used the basket, the number plate, or the POLE. If someone is going to ask, the answer they get from the group is THE answer. Otherwise, just do it.

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You sound like you would not be a fun card mate.

Maybe learn some geometry and rules before jumping to conclusions. If they are range finding, and I'm not sure if that is a legal method to determine distance to the pin, it should be eye level to the pole so it goes in a direct straight line to the pole, not at an angle. Personally if it is THAT close, I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

foxdawg10 said:

You sound like you would not be a fun card mate.

Maybe learn some geometry and rules before jumping to conclusions. If they are range finding, and I'm not sure if that is a legal method to determine distance to the pin, it should be eye level to the pole so it goes in a direct straight line to the pole, not at an angle. Personally if it is THAT close, I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

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If you're gonna ask if you're out constantly, then I would not be the cardmate for you. And yes, I know enough geometry to know that if you range the pole below the basket from eye level, It would be around 4-5 inches short. Remember, the original rules were made by a Californian. You guys might not get it. Y'all already took out the 2-meter rule because getting stuck in a tree is "arbitrary."

Bonehead said:

If you're gonna ask if you're out constantly, then I would not be the cardmate for you. And yes, I know enough geometry to know that if you range the pole below the basket from eye level, It would be around 4-5 inches short. Remember, the original rules were made by a Californian. You guys might not get it. Y'all already took out the 2-meter rule because getting stuck in a tree is "arbitrary."

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I don't typically ask, but I would if we were on a card together in a tourney. Seriously though, they only time I feel the need to follow through on my putt is when I am at least 50 feet out. Maybe more. And I am not a fan at all of the step putt.

And good job at opening up THAT can of worms. If you can't accurately determine if someone is 10 meters out, how on earth are you going to determine if they are 2 meters up? Holy hell, lol.

- You are two meters up.

- No I'm only 1 meter and 98 centimeters.

Who wants to deal with that hot mess?

Jwalker92 said:

There is nothing unsportsmanlike about telling someone to "walk it off." My eyes are not a range finder or measuring tape. If you think it's close, you should have a good way to determine if you are in our out. Also, if you are well beyond C1, 45'+, it's just not necessary to ask every other hole.

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In your original rant you say "Asking, "am I out" slows down the game, takes pressure off you as a player and puts it on your opponents. Stop it. Take accountability for your lie and your actions, leave me out of it." Now you would rather than walk it off? Or use a range finder? I suspect that either of these options would take longer than the one second it takes to say whether or not you believe them to be in/out. This seems more like a pet peeve rather than a rational reason for not wanting to answer. Maybe your card mates would rather you ask in/out than take the time walking it off every time....

tldr; disc golf is supposed to be fun and you seem like you aren't really

I decided to ask the PDGA about using a rangefinder (during a sanctioned tournament) to answer the question ("Am I in or out?"). Here's the reply:

Use of a rangefinder is not prohibited at any time. You're free to use it to measure any measurement you want.

Thanks,
Todd Lion
Deputy Director of Event Support and Training
Professional Disc Golf Association

Is there a rangefinder with a tolerance better than plus / minus 3 feet?

playrecords said:

Is there a rangefinder with a tolerance better than plus / minus 3 feet?

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This is a good point. Do they have data sheets with tolerances? Does any rangefinder apply? Even the 20 dollar ones?

DumfriesLizzie said:

I decided to ask the PDGA about using a rangefinder (during a sanctioned tournament) to answer the question ("Am I in or out?"). Here's the reply:

Use of a rangefinder is not prohibited at any time. You're free to use it to measure any measurement you want.

Thanks,
Todd Lion
Deputy Director of Event Support and Training
Professional Disc Golf Association

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That sounds like a typical non-answer punt by the PDGA.

You can use a range finder anytime, but he didn't answer if the distance from the range finder is official or not. Using a rangefinder to figure out which disc you want to use is completely different from using it to to determine if you are in or out, which could effect the outcome of the match.

foxdawg10 said:

That sounds like a typical non-answer punt by the PDGA.

You can use a range finder anytime, but he didn't answer if the distance from the range finder is official or not. Using a rangefinder to figure out which disc you want to use is completely different from using it to to determine if you are in or out, which could effect the outcome of the match.

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Presently, it's the best we have from the PDGA. Walking it off is likely even less accurate. Since one's cardmates may be irritated by the question and refuse to assist, I intend to buy and use one of the cheapies. If I'm so close to C1 that it's a squirrelly thing still, then I'll do a regular putt. If the rangefinder says I'm distinctly out (say, 42 feet), then I shall step putt. I find the step putt incredibly useful for a controlled, long layup. If there's no paint or whiskers, I'm not able to ascertain the difference between 30, 35, 40 feet at every green.

DumfriesLizzie said:

Presently, it's the best we have from the PDGA. Walking it off is likely even less accurate. Since one's cardmates may be irritated by the question and refuse to assist, I intend to buy and use one of the cheapies. If I'm so close to C1 that it's a squirrelly thing still, then I'll do a regular putt. If the rangefinder says I'm distinctly out (say, 42 feet), then I shall step putt. I find the step putt incredibly useful for a controlled, long layup. If there's no paint or whiskers, I'm not able to ascertain the difference between 30, 35, 40 feet at every green.

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Look to wording of the rule itself. The rule says "within 10 meters of the target, as measured from the front of the lie to the base of the target". [Bold added.]

It does not say "precisely 10 meters". Whether you pace it off, use a range finder, or a string, or compare to some whiskers, however you measure it becomes the official measure.

foxdawg10 said:

And good job at opening up THAT can of worms. If you can't accurately determine if someone is 10 meters out, how on earth are you going to determine if they are 2 meters up? Holy hell, lol.

- You are two meters up.

- No I'm only 1 meter and 98 centimeters.

Who wants to deal with that hot mess?

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Haha. Fortunately, the difference in distance would be a fraction of a millimeter, if I remember Pythagoras correctly. Granted, it has been a while.

On topic: If in doubt, I maintain my lie. Usually I'm at least a step outside 10m before I switch to a falling or (gasp) step putt.

Monocacy said:

Haha. Fortunately, the difference in distance would be a fraction of a millimeter, if I remember Pythagoras correctly. Granted, it has been a while.

On topic: If in doubt, I maintain my lie. Usually I'm at least a step outside 10m before I switch to a falling or (gasp) step putt.

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I am one who has found a way to not need a jump putt, I use a Shark in Star around 175 grams or my 166 gram #2 Upshot in Pro Style from 2005 which never wants to die if I have less wind. Also, only done when my back leg pushing off the ground is maxed on pushing up and I start over on leg push.