disc-golf-neil
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Look at the end of the video, it has the side by sides.I forgot about you posting that video.
But, that wasn't really my request buddy. I didn't ask for a 10 throws nose angle guessing competition, I asked for a side by side video of you throwing the same "exact" throw, where you out emphasis on "turn the key" in one of the throws. More to let you show that in your opinion, its a viable thing (you might already have done that in your channel?).
For me, I do think that an active conscious movement of the wrist in the "hit sequence" could be a recipe for disaster for many people struggling with nose angle. I would imagine that many people would tense up in the wrist/forearm and that could lead to the wrist not working as a hinge and perhaps put strain somewhere. But that's just my opinion and I'm open to change my view.
When (pro) people supinate or get ulnar deviation, during their power pocket and "out", do you believe is a conscious movement (by muscle memory or not) or do you believe its a byproduct of good mechanics?
Would there be any clear advantage for people with good mechanics, throwing let says, 0 degrees nose angle to actively "turn the key" to get a -5 nose angle? At what point does nose angle have diminishing return in turns of distance and flight?
It has:
Normal throw (maintaining supinated wrist, aka static) vs Turn the key (dynamic supination)
Normal throw vs dynamic pronation
Normal throw vs inverted swoop (extra low reachback that levels out into the power pocket)
Conscious or not is a separate question from what impact the mechanic actually does. I'm sure there are pros who have developed turn the key consciously and others who have developed it subconsciously. Many pros are heavily influenced by other pro's forms who they watched while developing their game and have modeled their form after that pro, so in those cases there's probably more conscious development of turn the key if they see it in the pro they model after. It's not BH but an example of this I've heard is Gannon said he modeled his forehand on Jeremy Koling and tried to keep his wrist loose like Jeremy's whereas many pros cock their wrist back actively in the backswing of the forehand (pre-extended wrist). Connor O'Reilly told me consciously pre-extending his wrist on forehand helped out his forehand game. So there's lot's of examples of pros making conscious decisions to develop or tweak form and lots of examples of them intuitively developing things where if you ask them about it they will say "I don't know, it just happens". Gannon seems very cerebral to me from having asked him analytical form questions in person that are questions he's probably not received often and he has an instant reply because he's already thought about it consciously.
I agree about people turn the key having potential to be a recipe for disaster and the fundamentals should be prioritized first. It's not an easy mechanic to learn initially, but it can quickly start to feel natural once you get over the initial barrier of it being weird. Especially if you start with slow standstills to build up the muscle memory.