disc-golf-neil
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How many times has sidewinder missed his blow up mattress and blasted it into a wall maybe it's got some screws loose
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Haha, ya I do some back/forward pumps before I throw typically. Probably mostly because I only throw stand-still style and it helps me get a rhythm going, but I tried NOT to do this with the tech disc because i thought this would happen.You can trick it for sure with pre swing movements. They are working on an error readout for when it senses this.
I think the direct hit to the car a pillar was worse but it's definitely possible.How many times has sidewinder missed his blow up mattress and blasted it into a wall maybe it's got some screws loose
Try a little approach shot into a net. Something you know would only go about 200' then go full power, see what the mph change is.Interesting. I can't really vouch for the spin rate or angles it throws out, but they seemed plausibly accurate. My speed was 60+, and under 65 on my throws I tried which was almost exactly what I expected.
I can throw a slightly turning fairly standard drive with a wave right around 430-450' so...it seemed to line up with what I tend to actually see when I play.
I didn't read about any best practices, but I had heard that it calibrates itself with a moment of being stationary before a throw, so I did try to let it have that moment. I have absolutely no clue if that affects the output or not though.
My guess as to the change in hyzer angle is due to a change in your arm plane / hyzer lean either from the changed disc orientation creating more urge to modify the swing plane to more of an anhyzer arc and / or posture to be more anhyzer. Perhaps if you exaggerate a normal throw on a lot of hyzer, like >=30 and then do the turn the key with that same exaggeration you might see only a small difference in hyzer. That's happened to mebefore too.@disc-golf-neil
I did try that combination yep, effect for me was a big reduction on hyzer angle. Had one that was crazy nose down that way but couldn't replicate it.
Will definitely start compiling into data sets and actual throw sets etc, but it was night one and I just had to have my fun cracking a few beers and messing around!
I definitely don't want to get caught up chasing numbers with it, but it does seem like it can be a really useful tool for me, especially when winter hits.
Exact steps.What are the exact steps to reproduce? I'll see if I can reproduce it. And did you try resetting it?
I've had mine get stuck reading throws I know to normally be 60+ as high 40s and low 50s but it hasn't been a problem because it's been accurate enough, enough of the time, to know that something is off and then a few restarts or charging the battery so it's not on low battery fixes it. So I don't think I've every been fooled in a big way by a speed glitch because it's obvious when it happens once you have a large sample of baseline stats to draw from.
Just like if you used a radar gun and it read your throw as 20 mph faster randomly or slower you'd know right away the reading was off and disregard it if you had thrown many times into a radar gun before.
As someone who has tested vs a radar gun on multiple occasions, I've never seen anything like this. I've recorded putts, warmups, trained quite a few people with it. I've never seen it just misrecording all over the place.Exact steps.
1. Throw any throw, throw again to verify it's updating.
2. Throw an approach shot like your 200' feet out. Whif it standstill. What should be a 30-40mph will record as a low 50s.
3. Wail on it full power. What should be a high 50s-mid 60s depending on the person will be in the mid 50s.
4. Observe massive velocity change between both throws and tech disc will only note a couple mph increase.
I have thrown in front of a radar and never got the tech disc to record as high of mph. That's not the problem I can live with that. It's that 3 people were able to perform the exact same test and get low 50s when we all know what low 50s looks like and nobody was actually throwing low 50s for the whiffed approach shot. Plus the harder throws were all recorded as 50s as well even though they were unequivocally irrefutably faster throws. The scales are off.
As someone who has tested vs a radar gun on multiple occasions, I've never seen anything like this. I've recorded putts, warmups, trained quite a few people with it. I've never seen it just misrecording all over the place.
Thought someone might drop it in here. but ..
They didn't.
So. Here ya go.
I think any device like this is going to have some troubles, its trying to measure some crazy shiz lol.There have been some other people reporting the same thing bill has said.
They figured out some ways to trick it also.
Thought someone might drop it in here. but ..
They didn't.
So. Here ya go.
When the tech disc isn't glitching out between soft and hard throws, what would you say is the average difference in you max speed between tech disc and radar?Exact steps.
1. Throw any throw, throw again to verify it's updating.
2. Throw an approach shot like your 200' feet out. Whif it standstill. What should be a 30-40mph will record as a low 50s.
3. Wail on it full power. What should be a high 50s-mid 60s depending on the person will be in the mid 50s.
4. Observe massive velocity change between both throws and tech disc will only note a couple mph increase.
I have thrown in front of a radar and never got the tech disc to record as high of mph. That's not the problem I can live with that. It's that 3 people were able to perform the exact same test and get low 50s when we all know what low 50s looks like and nobody was actually throwing low 50s for the whiffed approach shot. Plus the harder throws were all recorded as 50s as well even though they were unequivocally irrefutably faster throws. The scales are off.
Sheep, thanks for the video. For your edification, having measured many big throwers, I have yet to see any go into wrist extension during a throw. If they start with a deeply curled (flexed) wrist, they may uncurl a few degrees into release but I have yet to see anyone get back to a neutral position. Most stay in a slightly flexed position similar to a wrist position you might use if you were doing a chin up on a bar. Also from a briefcase position in the power pocket, everyone will have to supinate their forearms and externally rotate their shoulders in order to get back to a neutral (flat) nose release. Essentially you are just "turning the key" earlier than the 'flip the disc over' crowd. Those throwers that don't briefcase the disc have already naturally supinated their forearms to get the disc flat into the power pocket and the only thing left is to externally rotate the shoulder to release it flat at release. (Pretty easy to see in a slomo video by looking at the elbow crease orientation in the PP and then at release).So. Here ya go.
Sheep, thanks for the video. For your edification, having measured many big throwers, I have yet to see any go into wrist extension during a throw. If they start with a deeply curled (flexed) wrist, they may uncurl a few degrees into release but I have yet to see anyone get back to a neutral position. Most stay in a slightly flexed position similar to a wrist position you might use if you were doing a chin up on a bar. Also from a briefcase position in the power pocket, everyone will have to supinate their forearms and externally rotate their shoulders in order to get back to a neutral (flat) nose release. Essentially you are just "turning the key" earlier than the 'flip the disc over' crowd. Those throwers that don't briefcase the disc have already naturally supinated their forearms to get the disc flat into the power pocket and the only thing left is to externally rotate the shoulder to release it flat at release. (Pretty easy to see in a slomo video by looking at the elbow crease orientation in the PP and then at release).
I'm not trying to prove anything or contradict anything you are trying to convey. I'm just letting you know that from the 20 MPO/FPOs that I have captured in Mocap, I don't see any wrist extension (articulation) going into release (but it might be happening with ams) and that everyone is doing some combination of supination and external shoulder rotation going in to release. They have probably grooved it into their motion naturally. Others may take some some time.But if you're extrapolating some of this data from guys like Ezra,
Thought someone might drop it in here. but ..
They didn't.
So. Here ya go.