wolfmandragon
* Ace Member *
It's like "Whose line is it anyway", the numbers are made up and don't mean anything anyway.
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[Axiom] Axiom Crave, FAIRWAY DRIVER?!
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It's like "Whose line is it anyway", the numbers are made up and don't mean anything anyway.
jakebake91
* Ace Member *
My plasma crave is one of most thrown and most loved discs in my bag. Completely dependable, uber versitle, and just all around awesome. I lean on it especially hard when I need to "disc down" and get a run away round back on track. I'd be incredibly lost without it!
Arisugawa
Par Member
I agree. I love my plasma crave. It's been with me for years now, and it's one of my most dependable discs.
I also bag a proton crave that is slightly heavier in case I need a bit more stability.
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It's kind of in between, but in general it is more like a seasoned disc from group A than a new disc from group B.
Honestly for me a N Crave in lightweight reminds me of a heavier shaky Z XL (in flight) The plasma reminds me of my star one.. But better and longer.
jakebake91
* Ace Member *
If by similar you mean better, yes, it's better than a teebird.
A heavy Neutron or Proton Crave will fly like a broken in Teebird. Long, straight, consistent but gentle fade, tons of glide.
Plasmas seem to start with a touch less high speed stability. Better if you're looking for a more neutral driver that does gentle turnovers better.
I find both types of Craves useful. I carry a fresh N and beat N, and would go with an N and Plasma if I lost my beat Crave.
How do the proton glow Craves fly? Any different from regular proton / neutron?
Well in my limited experience and armspeed, I've got a couple 157 SE eclipses. I think they are great! A little less stability than proton and a bit more grip. I couldn't tell you what the PLH is but I found the same things with the Envy, just inexplicably straighter and better.. Kinda like a proton with a year of wear on it.
Jacobpaul81
Birdie Member
Too many runs of the Teebird / TL to really be 100% accurate.
I find the Crave flies like a special edition Teebird which had more lateral movement than the common Teebird. I just dated myself. :doh:
I find that the Servo is closer to the common Teebird.
wolfmandragon
* Ace Member *
Odd, Craves have less turn and less fade than a TeeBird for me. I think some of this comes down to speed vs spin.
Then again... which run of TeeBirds I have thrown may be the real key.
Marmoset
* Ace Member *
I adore Servos and have a Crave in the bag. For me, Servos are like premium plastic Leopards which is why I love them Servos so much. Craves are closer to Teebirds IMO. They are straighter overall, more HSS and less LSS. Servos have too much of an S shape to be a Teebird replacement IMO. I have a ton of Teebirds and I honestly feel the Teebird is the better disc. But I'm running an all MVP setup right now so the Crave is in the bag.
I don't have many Servos or Craves so my small sample size might be an issue. YMMV.
I find the opposite. The Crave has been inconsistent for me. Some have been super beefy with nearly no HSS and others turn more like -1.5 to -2. I know that there was issues with early Craves. I find little HSS with the Servo, perhaps .5. I get the most Tee-Bird like shots of of my Servo compared to my Crave. There has be inconsistency with the Servo as well, but for the most part have been more consistent.
wolfmandragon
* Ace Member *
I agree, but that's why I like Craves better than Teebirds; on a tight fairway I want minimal lateral movement
Marmoset
* Ace Member *
Sorry, I didn't write that very well. I meant to say that my craves have more HSS and less LSS than my Servos.
My Servo was beefy glideless crap, someone else loves it now. I do have a 165 proton Crave that's in the same territory and the 152 plasma I dumped, just weirdly and differently beefy compared to my Neutrons and eclipses.
And that cinches it, it's time for the Crave to tag along again. I kinda missed it on the weekend, would have been a good disc to be familiar with. It's just 20' itis with me. I missed the accuracy though.. So hard to do the smart thing sometimes. As my game started to fall apart it would have been a nice easy driver
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Jacobpaul81
Birdie Member
I've thrown 6 Craves - 3 Neutron, 3 Eclipse - none of them have had the 0 Turn, +2 fade I expect from a Teebird. They've been everywhere from -.5 to -2 turn (eclipse is super flippy) and generally 1 fade.
This is not a bad thing - as I love the slightly flippier flight of the Crave to the Teebird. As stated before, reminds me of the old SE Teebirds - which never went into regular production. I carried those in the mid-2000s as my #1 driver. I think they were the precursor to the Teebird-L. You could stand those up and they would carry a lot further than the Champ Teebirds of the day.
The Neutron Servos I've thrown were generally 0 turn, 2 fade - though the turn ratio could be as much as -1. That said - they don't have the glide of the teebird.
This is not a bad thing - as I love the slightly flippier flight of the Crave to the Teebird. As stated before, reminds me of the old SE Teebirds - which never went into regular production. I carried those in the mid-2000s as my #1 driver. I think they were the precursor to the Teebird-L. You could stand those up and they would carry a lot further than the Champ Teebirds of the day.
The Neutron Servos I've thrown were generally 0 turn, 2 fade - though the turn ratio could be as much as -1. That said - they don't have the glide of the teebird.
I agree with the comments that Servos have more turn and fade vs the Crave.
Having thrown a lot of Craves, their HSS does vary.
In my experience Neutrons are the most consistent. They've always been 0 HSS for me, MAYBE -0.25, for all weights over 170. The 150's would turn for me, but pretty much every 150g disc does. In fact my newest Crave, a 170's misprint Neutron with high PLH, it flies very close to a fresh TB. Nice healthy fade and no turn, replaced my more OS Neutron that was getting worn to straight.
Protons have been close to as consistent for me, but I did get one or two that felt like -.05 HSS when new. Between that and preferring the grip of the Neutron Craves I've stuck with that plastic.
Plasma for me has been consistently -1 HSS. I'd be throwing the plasmas more but I have a neutron worn in to about -1HSS / 0.5LSS, which is pretty much the exact slot these fill. So I keep a few plasmas to throw in place of my 8 year old Neutron on water holes, and as backups to replace the season Neutron if I lose it, but they've never been my primary Craves.
Have not tried eclipse yet.
If I were just getting started with Craves, I'd get a max weight Neutron for dependable straight shots and a 168-171 Plasma for shaping lines.
Having thrown a lot of Craves, their HSS does vary.
In my experience Neutrons are the most consistent. They've always been 0 HSS for me, MAYBE -0.25, for all weights over 170. The 150's would turn for me, but pretty much every 150g disc does. In fact my newest Crave, a 170's misprint Neutron with high PLH, it flies very close to a fresh TB. Nice healthy fade and no turn, replaced my more OS Neutron that was getting worn to straight.
Protons have been close to as consistent for me, but I did get one or two that felt like -.05 HSS when new. Between that and preferring the grip of the Neutron Craves I've stuck with that plastic.
Plasma for me has been consistently -1 HSS. I'd be throwing the plasmas more but I have a neutron worn in to about -1HSS / 0.5LSS, which is pretty much the exact slot these fill. So I keep a few plasmas to throw in place of my 8 year old Neutron on water holes, and as backups to replace the season Neutron if I lose it, but they've never been my primary Craves.
Have not tried eclipse yet.
If I were just getting started with Craves, I'd get a max weight Neutron for dependable straight shots and a 168-171 Plasma for shaping lines.
