I don't think that the Vector sucks, but it just wasn't what we had hoped it would be. But honestly, I don't think it was intended to be. Hopefully the Axis is. I'll try one out no matter what. I love my Ions. I use a Vector as a utility or get out of trouble disc. A dead nuts straight mid would rock and kick the Buzzz out of my bag. Then I could also get into a mid that flies straight at first because of the gyro, then flies MORE understable as it slows down because of losing the gyro effect. If MVP can do this, they will dominate the non-driver part of my bag, with only maybe the Pain remaining in the bag.