I seriously think a poor grip has a lot to do with why people struggle throwing some discs or getting consistent results. If you have a bad release nothing is going to fly well regardless of the power or technique behind it. Have to get the disc moving! I have watched many friends struggle throwing mini discs and found its they don't understand the concept of the grip in order to throw a disc golf disc and think of them like a catch Frisbee with a fatter rim.