bergdawg
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I wish JTacoma was on this board. He'd shit his pants clean off.
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Jeronimo said:...obvious exmaple...is someone who is over 7ft tall and the sport of Basketball. I'm not saying that individual wouldn't have an easier time, he would. However he's not necessarily going to be the 'creme of the crop' in another sport.
Jeronimo said:Let me be clear, I agree with what you are saying for the most part but I truly believe you are down playing, or even ignorant of, the effects of motivation and intiative in success...
A buzzz and a beer said:I do however think it will never be as big as some want. Its not gonna get televised. The reason I say this is that its not fun for people to watch that don't play. I have shown many friends videos of disc golf and with in 1 minute they are bored and don't want to watch it.
Alcuin said:My town has been thinking about implementing pay to play, and from what I understand while they haven't taken the plunge before they're more serious than ever. The county is expanding one course to 27 holes and building another 18 and those two have their own pay to play fee structure. The others in town will then have a different daily and annual fees regulated by the city. So it could be that the whole town becomes pay to play, which could be great. They are also talking about building some 9 hole courses with more recreational layouts and keeping them free. In an ideal world, this would work out perfectly. I think we've got at least a good shot at having not only quality courses but quality disc golf too while giving people who think that disc golf is nothing but a drinking game a place to go.
Golf is played by an estimated 50-60 million people world wide and 20-30 million just in the States. That's a big potential demographic right there.JimW said:A buzzz and a beer said:I do however think it will never be as big as some want. Its not gonna get televised. The reason I say this is that its not fun for people to watch that don't play. I have shown many friends videos of disc golf and with in 1 minute they are bored and don't want to watch it.
Some ball golf tournaments still get televised on broadcast TV, a delivery medium where even the major team sports are losing ground. You can't say that disc golf isn't interesting enough to ever get televised when so many people are interested in watching people play that.
JR said:The cheapest video cameras can be used in disc golf because the disc is so large but it needs proper placement of the camera person and zoom and experience of keeping the camera steady. Not so much in golf.
JR said:...Lighting and would be nice stuff have to be dropped in order to show what happens in the competition and how the scores were achieved...
bergdawg said:When 2011 Worlds DVD coming out? Matter fact, when's that gay-ass chains movie coming out?
JHern said:bergdawg said:When 2011 Worlds DVD coming out? Matter fact, when's that gay-ass chains movie coming out?
If you think it's gay-ass, why do you want to know?
JHern said:JR said:...Lighting and would be nice stuff have to be dropped in order to show what happens in the competition and how the scores were achieved...
As a still photographer who sometimes follows disc golfers and photographs tournaments, I've learned that the only thing that matters is light. Light is what reflects from your subject to make the image. I use only natural sunlight. It is all about the angles.
And if the lighting isn't good, and I know it'll be a crappy photo as a result, I don't even bother releasing the shutter.
Disc golf video camera crews usually just follow behind players and point the lens in whatever direction the players are throwing. This produces total garbage, and some of the lighting situations I see develop as a result or this poor utilization of the camera make me cringe/wince hard. Ouch!
What you need is a cameraman who understands lighting enough to position themselves properly on the fairway and film the action according to what the lighting dictates. A good start is to simply try and maneuver so that the sun is at your back when facing your subjects. Cross-lighting can also be fun, especially in the dappled lighting you get beneath a tree canopy.
JR said:...Stills are a different world to videoing...
JR said:I have rarely filmed from the tee because when i'm alone the only way to get the whole flight is to be somewhere on the fairway or the edge of the fairway. I always look at the sun and if possible place myself so that the sun is at my back or obscured by trees.
bergdawg said:JHern said:bergdawg said:When 2011 Worlds DVD coming out? Matter fact, when's that gay-ass chains movie coming out?
If you think it's gay-ass, why do you want to know?
So, I can admire Derek's award winning work.
JHern said:JR said:...Stills are a different world to videoing...
This is only partly true. You are still fundamentally capturing light reflected from objects in a scene, which is precisely the same thing in still or video. Lighting is first and foremost, always.
JR said:I have rarely filmed from the tee because when i'm alone the only way to get the whole flight is to be somewhere on the fairway or the edge of the fairway. I always look at the sun and if possible place myself so that the sun is at my back or obscured by trees.
That's the way to do it, as a good first step. It's a difficult thing to always be prepared for lighting, as it changes from one hole to another, and also changes depending on the time of day (and the weather). It would be really cool if you could set up stations in advance, the day before, planning on filming certain holes at certain times (when they will be needed the following day as the card you want to film moves through the course), experimenting with lighting, finding the optimal positions, etc.. Then the next day you can go out and just move from station to station without having to think about it as much. That's what they do in top level sports, and the results are quite impressive.
JR said:The time available for placing oneself and taking the shot is way different for videographers whose machines are on and need to stay steady at 15x zoom in my case for minutes at a time. Compare that to a single still per player per shot or a series of pics of the throwing motion only usually and you'll see how restricted it is for a video guy to get to a proper place and finding the spot where the sun ain't bad hopefully while being able to show the entire flight.
JR said:I've filmed with manual settings of lighting only once...
JR said:Compare that real time needing execution lasting for a long while then once the disc lands zooming out and turning the camera to the tee hopefully in time before the next throw leaves for four guys to taking four pictures and maybe you see why i say taking stills is easy.
JR said:How do you like these pictures? That guy has filmed as a staff member in official cameraman capacity at Tali Open for years.
http://jarih.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tali+Open+2012/