JR
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I'm not sure if Jari did much or thoughtful cutting down of the amount of pictures. I'm sure he has hundreds to over a thousand pictures of that event. Last year i think he was at over 1000 pictures and he worked as much this year so i imagine these pics were at least hurriedly pre selected.
My video camera does not handle being pointed at the sky, lighting and colors well enough even on bright days as well as with manual exposure control with the rest being on automatic controls. There are not enough buttons on my camera to change the settings on the fly. I can only change one value on the fly at a time so exposure control is the only option with Canon Legria HF200. So i can't do a proper emulation of a Hollywood crew and it would be horrible for the players with so many people breathing to their neck or increasing the odds of being hit in the middle of the fairway. European Open and USDGC have towers so for static few holes coverage even a team could be possible in a manner that does not hamper the players, caddies and spectators. Of course that can't be the norm.
I have the utmost respect for videographers that can follow each shot of ach player from start to finish while adjusting everything optimally for each second of the video by manually adjusting everything. Consumer video cameras lack the buttons to do that. They use menus so only one or two things are available for fiddling with. With increased messing up chances. Did you see the Beaver State Fling video being out of focus much of the time? If Derek Hastings can't do it with his better equipment... It would be interesting to film something less demanding than majors with proper cameras. lcgm8 thinks that the larger lenses of pro cameras don't focus as well with quick zoom level changes (mandatory) as the smaller lenses of consumer video cameras. That requirement is a must for me filming from the middle of the fairway because the discs move so fast so the pans are also very fast. I haven't delved into pro camera world so i no clue about their autofocus speeds. I'm wary of manual focus adjustments while filming after seeing the Beaver State Fling vid. One thing that makes adjusting camera settings more difficult with video cameras vs still cameras is that you need to follow the disc and do the adjustments in real time while filming often being on 15x zoom with time restraints having to multitask while needing to keep the camera steady. Stills don't need during capture changes and won't induce motion sickness in the viewer.
How often do you film with 15x zoom being in the middle of the fairway to where the players throw? I've had people like McBeth and Källström say that they aimed at me. Big arms... The difference of video vs still at 15x zoom is that at 6-7x level of zooming the autofocus drops out so one has to anticipate that and slow down the rate of added zoom a lot. Another time constraint that makes moving away from an oncoming disc more difficult. A stills guy can get support or kneel down easily and move away without messing up the shot. When a video guy needs to move to avoid being hit it taxes the time that is needed to film the next shot because you have to move back to the filming spot. I've had situations where the only place on the course to film from was one to three inches wide and still had leaves in the way. The need to reposition oneself exactly is another world to a video guy vs a stills guy.
I have filmed from the tee extremely rarely and when i did i did just what you did with Val's pic. Easy peasy.
Your comment about so many pics being horrible is exactly the same for videos so that logic doesn't hold water. The difference for stills cameras and video cameras is that the time needed to adjust controls and available manual controls are easily manipulated on a still camera between shots on consumer gear. Not so for video cameras that aren't very costly. And holding a steady video zoomed in at the target at proper _variable levels_ of zoom while adjusting multiple things while shooting is a very different thing. You push the idea that you don't think doing all of the above is not more challenging than doing stills work. Here's your counter challenge: Do it. Film video from the middle of the fairway while keeping the disc large on the screen with great zoom levels positioned well for lighting each time (the big restraint) while showing the full flight while adjusting nothing at first then incrementally adding up more manual controls. Then you know why Hollywood uses so many people on the camera alone. Expecting to do the same with one person on a consumer camera might prove to be more than you can handle. Not missing a shot.
I've rarely not missed a shot during an event. If you manage all that please film the Worlds and the USDGC so that the sport has a better chance of being televised. I have not seen large disc footage like that. Terry Roddy and some other DGP filmers use pro gear and get small disc videos while possibly manipulating the camera manually IDK. Terry films for a living. That is the level of demands on doing changes on the fly: One competes with professionals in disc golf terms you'd need to be so good that you earn a living by playing meaning you'd need to be an elite player. I've never studied filming and neither has lcgm8 other than as amateurs -never in pro film school.
My claim is that not all professional filmers can handle disc golf filming while adjusting the pro cameras with button controls for everything. In fact we've witnessed that and taught some pros about how to film DG. I also claim that we've achieved at times better quality than the Val pic with video but it is of course subjective. So i claim that some if not many pro filmers with pro equipment can't achieve what you claim alone -exactly the reason for Hollywood using a crew instead of a single person to film pre choreographed event that is time limited by the director. In contrast to DG anything can happen at any time and the video event can last however long. Try to zoom in without waving the camera around at 15x zoom for 5 minutes standing up without a support and with a monopod. Even the monopod doesn't help me enough. YMMV. The steadiness of the shot needs athlete level of posture control muscle power and balance control while being able to not sway around for minutes on end. Even after having sprinted. I am a locomotive breath at times so that does not help the steadiness of video. Steadiness of a still shot is child's play.
My video camera does not handle being pointed at the sky, lighting and colors well enough even on bright days as well as with manual exposure control with the rest being on automatic controls. There are not enough buttons on my camera to change the settings on the fly. I can only change one value on the fly at a time so exposure control is the only option with Canon Legria HF200. So i can't do a proper emulation of a Hollywood crew and it would be horrible for the players with so many people breathing to their neck or increasing the odds of being hit in the middle of the fairway. European Open and USDGC have towers so for static few holes coverage even a team could be possible in a manner that does not hamper the players, caddies and spectators. Of course that can't be the norm.
I have the utmost respect for videographers that can follow each shot of ach player from start to finish while adjusting everything optimally for each second of the video by manually adjusting everything. Consumer video cameras lack the buttons to do that. They use menus so only one or two things are available for fiddling with. With increased messing up chances. Did you see the Beaver State Fling video being out of focus much of the time? If Derek Hastings can't do it with his better equipment... It would be interesting to film something less demanding than majors with proper cameras. lcgm8 thinks that the larger lenses of pro cameras don't focus as well with quick zoom level changes (mandatory) as the smaller lenses of consumer video cameras. That requirement is a must for me filming from the middle of the fairway because the discs move so fast so the pans are also very fast. I haven't delved into pro camera world so i no clue about their autofocus speeds. I'm wary of manual focus adjustments while filming after seeing the Beaver State Fling vid. One thing that makes adjusting camera settings more difficult with video cameras vs still cameras is that you need to follow the disc and do the adjustments in real time while filming often being on 15x zoom with time restraints having to multitask while needing to keep the camera steady. Stills don't need during capture changes and won't induce motion sickness in the viewer.
How often do you film with 15x zoom being in the middle of the fairway to where the players throw? I've had people like McBeth and Källström say that they aimed at me. Big arms... The difference of video vs still at 15x zoom is that at 6-7x level of zooming the autofocus drops out so one has to anticipate that and slow down the rate of added zoom a lot. Another time constraint that makes moving away from an oncoming disc more difficult. A stills guy can get support or kneel down easily and move away without messing up the shot. When a video guy needs to move to avoid being hit it taxes the time that is needed to film the next shot because you have to move back to the filming spot. I've had situations where the only place on the course to film from was one to three inches wide and still had leaves in the way. The need to reposition oneself exactly is another world to a video guy vs a stills guy.
I have filmed from the tee extremely rarely and when i did i did just what you did with Val's pic. Easy peasy.
Your comment about so many pics being horrible is exactly the same for videos so that logic doesn't hold water. The difference for stills cameras and video cameras is that the time needed to adjust controls and available manual controls are easily manipulated on a still camera between shots on consumer gear. Not so for video cameras that aren't very costly. And holding a steady video zoomed in at the target at proper _variable levels_ of zoom while adjusting multiple things while shooting is a very different thing. You push the idea that you don't think doing all of the above is not more challenging than doing stills work. Here's your counter challenge: Do it. Film video from the middle of the fairway while keeping the disc large on the screen with great zoom levels positioned well for lighting each time (the big restraint) while showing the full flight while adjusting nothing at first then incrementally adding up more manual controls. Then you know why Hollywood uses so many people on the camera alone. Expecting to do the same with one person on a consumer camera might prove to be more than you can handle. Not missing a shot.
I've rarely not missed a shot during an event. If you manage all that please film the Worlds and the USDGC so that the sport has a better chance of being televised. I have not seen large disc footage like that. Terry Roddy and some other DGP filmers use pro gear and get small disc videos while possibly manipulating the camera manually IDK. Terry films for a living. That is the level of demands on doing changes on the fly: One competes with professionals in disc golf terms you'd need to be so good that you earn a living by playing meaning you'd need to be an elite player. I've never studied filming and neither has lcgm8 other than as amateurs -never in pro film school.
My claim is that not all professional filmers can handle disc golf filming while adjusting the pro cameras with button controls for everything. In fact we've witnessed that and taught some pros about how to film DG. I also claim that we've achieved at times better quality than the Val pic with video but it is of course subjective. So i claim that some if not many pro filmers with pro equipment can't achieve what you claim alone -exactly the reason for Hollywood using a crew instead of a single person to film pre choreographed event that is time limited by the director. In contrast to DG anything can happen at any time and the video event can last however long. Try to zoom in without waving the camera around at 15x zoom for 5 minutes standing up without a support and with a monopod. Even the monopod doesn't help me enough. YMMV. The steadiness of the shot needs athlete level of posture control muscle power and balance control while being able to not sway around for minutes on end. Even after having sprinted. I am a locomotive breath at times so that does not help the steadiness of video. Steadiness of a still shot is child's play.