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Bottom line: the Stud and Colt are superior to the Proxy and Envy, especially when powering down. Innova, Discraft, and Trilogy mids and approach discs are superior to MVP/Axiom discs such as the Proxy and Envy.
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[Innova] Innova Stud: New PnA
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Snap-it
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...100' and into the weeds?
jonkimbertx
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Okay, first that shouldn't be happening with the Envy. And second, the Proxy isn't a US putter, but is perfectly stable and completely fadeless. Don't let "Gyro" psyche you out.
Just go with the Stud's fade instead, lol.
Fair enough, inBounds shows the Proxy as stable and Axiom also describes it as such, so my calling it US was definitely wrong. I guess I think of it that way because of how many putters are rated 0/1 or 0/2, so it's less overstable than much of the competition. Saying it's fadeless isn't exactly accurate since it's a -1/1.
If you've thrown both the Stud and Envy, do you disagree then that the Envy's end of flight fade is heavier? That's what I'd been seeing. Worked great on drives off the tee, but short ranges approaches thrown flat didn't fly flat enough for me to get comfortable with. I've never given Gyro technology a second thought, but in this case it seemed possible that it could explain what I was seeing.
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Snap-it
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Your other post was pure MVP/Axiom bashing, attributing erroneous characteristics to both the Proxy and Envy. Now trying to walk it back? No big deal, whatever.
Where did you get -1,1 for the Proxy?
Anyway, throw what's best for you...simple.
Snap-it
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Lol, even I think the Envy/Proxy combo are one of the best in the game for short range drives and approaches.
I've actually played long enough to have thrown most of the discs you talk about.
Snap-it
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jonkimbertx:
Sorry if my replies to you seem overly harsh. Just that there's a history here of bashing MVP for this reason or that. Maybe hold onto your Proxy and Envy to revisit at a later time, you never know.
Anyway, good luck with the Stud. Sounds like you like how it flies.
Sorry if my replies to you seem overly harsh. Just that there's a history here of bashing MVP for this reason or that. Maybe hold onto your Proxy and Envy to revisit at a later time, you never know.
Anyway, good luck with the Stud. Sounds like you like how it flies.
Snap-it
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Pure gold :thmbup:
jonkimbertx
Par Member
Tell me about it...stumbled into a bloody war zone apparently. Appreciate the apology.
If you were genuinely curious, Proxy is rated as -1/1 on Infinite, Community, and inBounds. Other sites rate it differently.
He didn't really mean it. That was just an adult meltdown.
Snap-it
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Yeah, again sorry about that.
I'd rate the Proxy at 0, 0...but that's IMO. It's known for its uncanny straightness, at high or low speed. I've had it bagged for about 3 years now. I've also thrown a lot of other putters over the years, from OS-Stable-US.
jonkimbertx
Par Member
The shot I have the most success with is the Simon-style anhyzer bomb, Proxy holds that line beautifully for 250+. I think what gets me in trouble on short throws (like every other putter) is the rim depth, which is shallower that most but still a bit deeper than midranges. Haven't quite figured out how to keep it from hooking on my fingers and taking a trip to OAT city. With the Stud it's been a non issue cuz how how shallow it is.
Also, am I wrong that the Envy has a beaded bottom and the Proxy doesn't? It's hard to tell with the overmold, but that always messed with me, too.
Snap-it
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Yep, putter rims vary a lot(depth and shape) and are an adjustment from mids, when throwing. Proxy's a shallower, lower profile putter.
You have an Envy, you tell me if it's beaded.
Actually the Envy is not a beaded putter, per se. But a little of the core will extend under the rim(overmold), so it may appear that way...some more than others.
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Even though I do love the proxy/envy combo (I bag it), I will go to say that the proxy is -1,1. If I rip it flat it is turning and not really coming back. But if I hyzer flip it it will flip up to flat and have the tiniest hint of fade at the end. On shorter shots it will fade on me, and if given enough height it will fade. If I were to split hairs I'd call it -.5/.5 but -1,1 gets the point across
Regardless, this is quite the almost on topic thread jack, so I apologize for my posts about discs other than the ones mentioned in the title.
Regardless, this is quite the almost on topic thread jack, so I apologize for my posts about discs other than the ones mentioned in the title.
Any oat?
Snap-it
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I can see that at max power/max distance throws with it. But I use the Proxy for approach and short hole drives...you know, as intended.
:how's the DX plastic in the Stud?:
Snap-it
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I see 90% OAT out on courses :gross:
I can see that at max power/max distance throws with it. But I use the Proxy for approach and short hole drives...you know, as intended.
:how's the DX plastic in the Stud?:
Hence the "flat rip"
but yes it is very straight on anything under 330 or so. In fact I parked a 305? 310? Something like that footer today with my proxy. Drop in bird. @ranger no OAT as far as I can tell, discs fly like they should throughout my entire range of power. But, of course, I could be wrongSnap-it
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Hence the "flat rip"
I'll use it on drives to 300' or so, and step up to a mid beyond that.
:don't like the Stud stamp...Innova retro, meh::
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