I throw my Saints on holes over 350', and out to 380' generally...of course depending on the hole. Out to the 375' range, my GL Saint, on about a 25 degree hyzer, will flip up and turn over for the length of the flight without coming back at all...unless i give it extra height. I have to throw the GL on at a 45 to get it to flip to flat with just a slight smooth turnover and slow come back. My opto saint when thrown wont turn the whole flight, but out to that distance will need some room for left to right movement. The opto when thrown to about 350' will have a tighter S shape, finishing straight. Definitely pairs nicely with the opto saint pro for the "longer" fairway slot.