Nose up (and other) issues.. Help...

[Moneycannon]

Hi!
I have been playing discgolf for about 4 months now and im hooked. I play 4-6 times a week and have studied ALOT of articles about the backhand throw. But i stil cant get over that 350 mark..

I am sure that i have a nose up issue (drivers and midranges goes about 300 feet).

I was wondering if someone could take a look at my form and help me.

Standstil throw: https://youtu.be/UliB-din9eM

 

[RandyC]

The thing is, unless you´ve played another instrument before, it´s like picking up a guitar for the first time. If you have played another sport before you can try and impliment that to your throw. Wouldnt it be funny if someone says "can´t play this paganini concerto with my violin even thou I have studied and practiced a lot for 4 months." That said you are backwards in your standstill throw thus you have pretty hard time getting into a good finish position or doing anything athletic towards the target. Once you are in your backswing ask yourself can I throw/swing/hit a puck, tennis ball, golf ball from this position.

 

[sidewinder22]

Looks good for 4 months.

Need to open up your front foot to shift forward and resist going targetward against it.

 

[Moneycannon]

Thanks for the fast reply! I am going to work on bracing better But can this cause nose up throws? Or is it something else i need to change?

 

[sidewinder22]

The force vector from your front leg/ground is not working in tandem to your swing. You would have to make some kind of other compensation to throw nose down.

 

[Moneycannon]

So to dummy it down to my own language i need to get my front foot more correct to where i am throwing to get nose down?

 

[sidewinder22]

Dynamic balance on front leg, off rear leg.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137244

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[Moneycannon]

Thanks for the help and the content! I will try to work on it

 

[Moneycannon]

Hi again!
So i have been working on throwing backhand and have had alot of ups and downs. But right now im stuck. Ive been struggeling to throw over 300 feet and also often throw in hyzer even tho i try to throw flat...

I was wondering some of you could take a look at the video and give me some help on what i should do different (I do see that i have a little too high reachback so im gonna try to fix that next time)


Videolink:https://youtu.be/iz3FWHEqYmE

 

[Arezaki]

Norge?:clap:

Not Mr. expert here, but looks like the x-step is not adding anything, because you slow the forward momentum at the crossover. It should be smoother, continuing the speed from the earlier steps.

Reachback looks a bit high. A video from behind would also make it easier to see more.

Good luck!

 

[sidewinder22]

Yeah, the x-step is not helping, I would recommend working from a "standstill"(not actually still) or 1 step more like a pitcher or batter.

Working on footwork and form is really not ideal in snow and can lead to bad habits.

Your rear leg is collapsing as soon as you land, note how you start dropping behind the left foot. Note how KJ stays tall on the rear leg, loading his CoG into the rear leg during the x-step and falls into the plant.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137985

 

[Moneycannon]

Thanks for the answers!
Yeah i`m from south east norway

I know my x-step is weird. I havent really understood how the footwork works. But i think i got a better understanding for it now so thanks guys!
I will try to fix the high reachback and the last step tomorrow on my fieldworkout!

I also wonder about a couple of other things so i will just throw on the questions here and you guys can see if i you understood the questions

Upper body rotation:
Do you want to rotate back to neutral or do you want to rotate so your face is against the target (before the followthrough)?

The arm:
Do you want to throw in front of chest or to the right of your chest (Where should the chest point when releasing the disc)?
I have read and heard different things here so im verry confused about what is right..

Shoud you use any muscles in the arm or just let it be a loose wip?


Hips:
I have tried to read about the hip rotation and how to engange the hips but i still dont get how.. Should you try to rotate the hips forward (Against the target) or is hip rotation what happens when you do the weightshift correct or is it something else? Do you guys got a good way to explain how to engage the hips for dummies?


Hope you guys understood the questions.. My english isn`t the best...

 

[sidewinder22]

Rotate torso back to neutral, momentum will carry you thru.

The arm/chest may vary depending on speed and individual. Arm muscles need to react to the swing tension and pump it, so it starts loose and firms up at the hit.

I feel like the hips are automatic when you load back in backswing and make a lateral move. Stretched muscles from backswing will return on their own volition.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134415
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133543
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138461

 

[Moneycannon]

Thanks for all the answers. This actually changed my view on how the throw actually works!
I have always thought that you have to rotate thowards the target (Past neutral) because it looks like that when the pros throw.

But this got me wondering..
Is it right to say that the main power in the throw comes from the oblique sling? Is that kind of how the hip start the upper body?
The article about oblique sling: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138461

 

[Moneycannon]

So im stil kinda confused about 1 thing. Do you want to think that you are going to throw to the right of your shoulders or straight in front of you?
I will also add link to a image to kinda specify my question a little more: https://imgur.com/a/yRKRCHH
On the paint image, are throw nr 1 or 2 correct?

 

[Lastchancer88]

So im stil kinda confused about 1 thing. Do you want to think that you are going to throw to the right of your shoulders or straight in front of you?
I will also add link to a image to kinda specify my question a little more: https://imgur.com/a/yRKRCHH
On the paint image, are throw nr 1 or 2 correct?

I believe 2 is correct. 1 would be an example of strong arming or really only using your arm to throw. 2 is your whole body whipping the disc out from your center of gravity.

 

[sidewinder22]

So im stil kinda confused about 1 thing. Do you want to think that you are going to throw to the right of your shoulders or straight in front of you?
I will also add link to a image to kinda specify my question a little more: https://imgur.com/a/yRKRCHH
On the paint image, are throw nr 1 or 2 correct?

I believe 2 is correct. 1 would be an example of strong arming or really only using your arm to throw. 2 is your whole body whipping the disc out from your center of gravity.

Like I said before it depends and can vary...

 

[Moneycannon]

I Understand but in your head, should you think that you are going to throw to the right or in front of you?

I guess i still dont get how the upper body produce the throw

 

[sidewinder22]

Do some windmills in vertical swing plane, forget about a flat horizontal plane that doesn't exist.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134415