Par Talk

[Steve West]

West Lake Longs at The Rumble 2019 presented by Discraft and Clint's Draft House.

This is from round 3, because round 1 winds were apparently not ordinary. If round 1 was included, the only change would be that #23 would have a computed par of 4.

It's nice to see some real par 5s; unexpected at these lengths.

 

[johnrhouck]

That's because of the Houck boson.

Finally!

Somebody gets it.

 

[Cgkdisc]

It's nice to see some real par 5s; unexpected at these lengths.

For those who know holes 5 & 13, it's not "dam" hard to do.

 

[Steve West]

2019 Dynamic Discs Glass Blown Open - National Tour, Emporia Country Club, FPO

Perfect.

 

[Steve West]

2019 Dynamic Discs Glass Blown Open - National Tour, Emporia Country Club, MPO

Nice job. Histograms for the couple of quibbles I would have.

Par round ratings were 1005, 1035, and 1011, indicating that the average number of unrecoverable errors made by 1000-rated players was about 1 in the first round, 6 in the second round, and 2 in that last round. Because wind, I imagine.

 

[tbonesocrul]

The distribution on 16 is pretty interesting. It seems like a good candidate hole to test to see if what par is set as changes how players attack the hole. My line of thought is that the major reason the Pros were so aggressive is that they see it labeled as a par 3 and think that the only way to gain strokes is to attempt the birdie.

I could see changing the hole to a par 4 convinces more competitors to layup and pitch onto the island for a relatively safer birdie 3. This could impact the distribution of scores enough that Steve's method would suggest this should be a par 3.

I wish we could isolate this hole and have the pros play it with both pars.

 

[lyleoross]

The distribution on 16 is pretty interesting. It seems like a good candidate hole to test to see if what par is set as changes how players attack the hole. My line of thought is that the major reason the Pros were so aggressive is that they see it labeled as a par 3 and think that the only way to gain strokes is to attempt the birdie.

I could see changing the hole to a par 4 convinces more competitors to layup and pitch onto the island for a relatively safer birdie 3. This could impact the distribution of scores enough that Steve's method would suggest this should be a par 3.

I wish we could isolate this hole and have the pros play it with both pars.

Very interesting experiment. The results would be interesting even to folks who don't play.

 

[Steve West]

I'd like to do that experiment on these par 2s.

Otherwise, nice job of setting pars for the Utah Open.

 

[Steve West]

The Challenge at Goat Hill Park - Driven by Innova - 2019.

Anyone want to guess what the TD's rating is?

 

[Cgkdisc]

Is the bottom chart actually FPO?

 

[Steve West]

Is the bottom chart actually FPO?

No. MPO scores. I solved for the rating at which course par would equal calculated par. This answers the question: Who was par appropriate for? That happened to be an 886-rating.

 

[Cgkdisc]

No. MPO scores. I solved for the rating at which course par would equal calculated par. This answers the question: Who was par appropriate for? That happened to be an 886-rating.

Ah, got it. It wasn't clear that was what you were doing since you usually post FPO with MPO, albeit with pink bars.

 

[Steve West]

Ah, got it. It wasn't clear that was what you were doing since you usually post FPO with MPO, albeit with pink bars.

With only 5 FPOs on a different layout, not gonna do it.

 

[Steve West]

DGPT - AbsoluteXtracts presents the San Francisco Open driven by Innova at Gleneagles DGC

Here are the computed pars for MPO, FPO and TD.

 

[Steve West]

I got to wondering whether I would set the par for the 550 foot hole #13 to 4.

Well, it's close. I'd call it a par 4 for a 970 rated player. (3 at 1000)

And #8a is a par 3 for a 970 rated player. (2 at 1000)

So, everything is consistent with setting par for the low end of the recommended ratings for Open.

I would prefer standardizing everything at 1000, but it's TD judgement as the where to set the cutoff for expert.

 

[Steve West]

2019 Minnesota Amateur Disc Golf Championships

 

[Steve West]

Prodigy Disc Pro Tour 2019 - Helsinki/Tali Disc Golf Park/2180m

 

[Jimb]

Prodigy Disc Pro Tour 2019 - Helsinki/Tali Disc Golf Park/2180m

Do you have any info about the field that played the tournament and what their ratings are compared to the 1000 rated par? Just wondering.

 

[tbonesocrul]

Do you have any info about the field that played the tournament and what their ratings are compared to the 1000 rated par? Just wondering.

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/39618

I'm guessing this is the event that he took his data from. Quite a few players rated above and below 1000.

 

[Jimb]

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/39618

I'm guessing this is the event that he took his data from. Quite a few players rated above and below 1000.

Thanks. Looks like 13 out of 67 who finished were 1000 or above.