"Secret Technique" statement, just curious

[ChrisinFL]

What a complicated sport! So many variables, and everybody has their own variables, and all of it packed into a throw that happens so quickly. I love the sport, but I wish I wasn't stuck here at 250' max, with the very rare 275'. But, playing 14 months now, I do still seem to be inching forward, very slow gains, so hopefully more to come. I have been getting some coaching, three lessons so far, and it has definitely helped. I am still using standstill, which my coach switched me to because she changed so much of my technique (or is trying to change, lol). Right now my biggest challenge seems to be trying to break the habit of instinctively letting the disc go, and getting to where I consistently hold my grip and force it to rip out. Ripping out seems to add about 20', and take me further to the right, but I struggle hard to get it consistent. But I think I am slowly improving there. Hoping if I get that, then add my x-step back, maybe those two things are enough for me to get to 300' with decent consistency. That would be nice. I played with a semi pro guy, 59 years old, a couple weeks ago, and he said I need to start my throw slower, and accelerate towards my release. I am sure he is right, but I just don't know that I can wrap my brain around that, too, and make it happen. Ugh! If I could take knowledge, and convert it perfectly and easily to my throwing action, wow, I might have turned pro already! Lol! But I love playing, and I mostly shoot around par now (on easy to medium courses; under par on short courses, but struggle on long ones) which at one time not so long ago seemed like an impossible dream! Go DG! And my favorite quote, that I adapted, pretty sure I heard something similar years ago from basketball(?) - "Let's put some discs in the air!"

Oh, excited that I will be playing with three DG buddies in my first ever tournament July 27th - Trilogy Challenge in Sebring, FL. Wish me luck!

 

[Casey 1988]

This popped up again on the main page, and I remember reading it and feeling like I didn't really agree before.

How do you all feel about this quote? True? Nah? I DO believe people overestimate the importance and actual distance gains that an x-step adds, but that isn't entirely the point he was making.

Quick edit: I am not at all saying an x-step is not going to add distance. Clearly it is the vastly preferred way to throw far and Im sure it does help, when done right. Personally I just like being able to not give a s*** about 99% of lies I have to work with.

Some of us like me the arm to end of wrist is barely 18" so somehow I would have to be slamming my arm to my chest before each big drive on very long holes or distance competition's. I did a drive only on distance competitions where I could end up on ground becuse of how much power per size of my small body I was using and was a 180 throw where plant foot was behind me doing a ballet or martial arts like move.

 

[RowingBoats]

I guess it's just really silly to even conceptualize separating arm movements entirely from the body.

I played with the Beto drill with a stack of hexes and can get them out to about 250 or a bit farther. I do a very small coil, I think you have to.

 

[Sheep]

I guess it's just really silly to even conceptualize separating arm movements entirely from the body.

I played with the Beto drill with a stack of hexes and can get them out to about 250 or a bit farther. I do a very small coil, I think you have to.

Yeah, I think if you dont coil a little you will hurt yourself.

 

[seedlings]

I kind of disagree with that Blake statement, but at the same time watch Matty-O do this every week, so… maybe.

 

[RowingBoats]

With that said, I don't know if I recommend trying to throw far this way if you are still learning a ton. I would have effed myself up trying to do that drill for decent distance earlier on, I'm fairly sure.

It feels like a very compact action that has a lot of potential for injury imo.

 

[RowingBoats]

and he said I need to start my throw slower, and accelerate towards my release.

I will vouch for this advice vigorously.

I will also say I sympathize with it being kind of strange feeling as well, because I used to be really, really bad about this and basically full fire way, way too early. Doing that does feel powerful, and you can throw fairly far like that, but it isn't the way to hone in on the low effort swing. Its something you have to just spend some time on deliberately and see that it does indeed work even though it feels like the swing got a whole lot easier/weaker.

I would say this is one of the core fundamental things that is super easy to get wrong, but makes a lot of other things click into place. To me, the swing before the power pocket position feels downright glacial. Figure that out, and figure out how to feel like you are truly leveraging the back side of the disc OUT of the pocket and you will have made some serious, serious progress I bet.

 

[ChrisinFL]

I will vouch for this advice vigorously.

I will also say I sympathize with it being kind of strange feeling as well, because I used to be really, really bad about this and basically full fire way, way too early. Doing that does feel powerful, and you can throw fairly far like that, but it isn't the way to hone in on the low effort swing. Its something you have to just spend some time on deliberately and see that it does indeed work even though it feels like the swing got a whole lot easier/weaker.

I would say this is one of the core fundamental things that is super easy to get wrong, but makes a lot of other things click into place. To me, the swing before the power pocket position feels downright glacial. Figure that out, and figure out how to feel like you are truly leveraging the back side of the disc OUT of the pocket and you will have made some serious, serious progress I bet.

I guess that is something I have to try…. In addition to still focusing on trying to make the disc rip out, as opposed to instinctively letting go of it at a certain point near the end of the throw.

 

[RowingBoats]

I guess that is something I have to try…. In addition to still focusing on trying to make the disc rip out, as opposed to instinctively letting go of it at a certain point near the end of the throw.

This part does slightly confuse me, because I can no longer conceive of even the vague possibility of a disc not ripping out of my hand lol. I think that once you have found a fairly powerful, fairly good form, this just happens.

 

[Sewer bill]

I can't figure it out. Seems like I can hit 200-300 with a no coil swing, I had one go 330 out of 4. Adding coil seems to just make it easier to aim. No idea why I'm all over the place distance wise trying this. Throwing a quake relatively flat is most consistent. Hexes seem to release early. My coil might be helping retain the disc through the swing idk I wasn't filming and it's a million degrees outside. I'll try again later this week.

 

[RowingBoats]

I can't figure it out. Seems like I can hit 200-300 with a no coil swing, I had one go 330 out of 4. Adding coil seems to just make it easier to aim. No idea why I'm all over the place distance wise trying this. Throwing a quake relatively flat is most consistent. Hexes seem to release early. My coil might be helping retain the disc through the swing idk I wasn't filming and it's a million degrees outside. I'll try again later this week.

It definitely takes some trying to throw hard that way for me lol. It feels like a super compact action.

 

[ChrisinFL]

This part does slightly confuse me, because I can no longer conceive of even the vague possibility of a disc not ripping out of my hand lol. I think that once you have found a fairly powerful, fairly good form, this just happens.

I hope that happens for me soon. It feels like I am progressing towards getting the rip out more consistently, but it is an ongoing battle. At first, even consciously focusing on trying to keep my grip didn't work, but it is gradually getting easier to do it. Still requires me to fully focus on it, though. Hopefully soon it becomes my new normal, automatic. I think a year of instinctively letting go of the disc got ingrained deep, and just a couple months of trying to reverse what is instinctive, or maybe intuitive is a better word, IDK, but it has been a difficult change for me. Plus I want to start trying to make that other change, slowing down the beginning of my throw, and accelerating towards the rip out. Hopefully that comes easier - time will tell. I have not even started it yet. Day one tomorrow: "Hold my grip - do not release the disc! Slow down the start of my throw, and only accelerate out of the pocket!". Time, yet again, to retrain my brain!

 

[Sewer bill]

I hope that happens for me soon. It feels like I am progressing towards getting the rip out more consistently, but it is an ongoing battle. At first, even consciously focusing on trying to keep my grip didn't work, but it is gradually getting easier to do it. Still requires me to fully focus on it, though. Hopefully soon it becomes my new normal, automatic. I think a year of instinctively letting go of the disc got ingrained deep, and just a couple months of trying to reverse what is instinctive, or maybe intuitive is a better word, IDK, but it has been a difficult change for me. Plus I want to start trying to make that other change, slowing down the beginning of my throw, and accelerating towards the rip out. Hopefully that comes easier - time will tell. I have not even started it yet. Day one tomorrow: "Hold my grip - do not release the disc! Slow down the start of my throw, and only accelerate out of the pocket!". Time, yet again, to retrain my brain!

To get the rip out sensation it might be helpful to do a 2 finger grip. You will probably lose accuracy and the discs might come out wobbly but the sensation will come quicker.

 

[ChrisinFL]

I think I know the sensation. Kind of close to what we commonly call grip lock? Almost feels like the disc comes out late, rips away from my fingers, and I get a noticeable little feel that my pointer finger has some pain from it.
Plus, when I really zing it, that all happens at the same time as when I am getting "leverage" - feels like it was in the right spot that the disc and my shoulder, arm, and hand are all in sync, yet all pulling against each other at the exact same time?
I am guessing that is also what I hear people commonly talking about as getting that feeling like you are throwing something heavy, or some say it should even feel like your arm is heavy?
I don't get it all too often yet, but sometimes, and hopefully it starts to get more regular in the near future!

 

[HyzerRoc]

I will vouch for this advice vigorously.

I will also say I sympathize with it being kind of strange feeling as well, because I used to be really, really bad about this and basically full fire way, way too early. Doing that does feel powerful, and you can throw fairly far like that, but it isn't the way to hone in on the low effort swing. Its something you have to just spend some time on deliberately and see that it does indeed work even though it feels like the swing got a whole lot easier/weaker.

For me that was more of a result of good form than something I could explicitly practice. Expecially after learning a better brace and feeling my body braced against the foot, my pecs feel like they are stretching while I'm already braced and the arm then accelerates towards the hit. I can also scale this a bit down and really go fast at the point of the hit and feel where the disc is gonna rip out. Tried slowing down the arm countless times before learning a better setup and it never clicked. Same with the beto drill, when I started visiting this forum people were talking about doing the beto drill 2000 times before getting it.