Triflusal
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The more I can squeeze out of slower discs the more useful the wraith will becomE
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The more I can squeeze out of slower discs the more useful the wraith will becomE
bergdawg
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How far are you going to have to be able to throw an Eagle before you can graduate to a faster disc?
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I can get my high speed discs out 350-400. If I could get my TL out there like you I'd then start working on getting my buzz out there. The slower/straighter disc you can throw for the same distance, the better. Think about throwing your putter. It's hard to get a really crappy shot, right? Even a bad one isn't horrible. The faster the disc the more likely something can really go wrong.
Triflusal
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380', because then I believe I will be half hitting. I'm not far off, I need to hit a measured field sometime. 360' is what I measured a monthish ago
i_throw_bricks
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400' imho
jcf5083
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If you are hitting your discs with clubs, that is illegal.
Those are part of the differences, the other is speed. If you take a 500' driver shot and strip it down to its speed attribute, that doesn't necessarily mean that a putter thrown with the same speed will go 360' - and that's what I'm saying. Blunt/round nosed discs do not react with "same flight patterns but further" which is the line of thinking that is sometimes used.
We also could get nitpicky and talk about nose angle and release angles, but I'm assuming you are counting those as pieces of "line selection"
It is rather funny that flame wars are ignited when I question the groupthink mentality of discing down and the beto video...sheeple.
bergdawg
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This is great. There are Pros that don't even throw 400 feet, yet everyone and their brother can throw an eagle 400+.
who-dat
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This is great. There are Pros that don't even throw 400 feet, yet everyone and their brother can throw an eagle 400+.
i wonder whats its like to throw 400'....
i can get about 330-350 w/o much accuracy.
about 280-300 accurately.
i'm throwing teebirds, apaches, roadrunners and the occasional starfire on flat shots (not flexing or 's'ing).
I've gotten my beaten in x-out apache out 350+ w/a slight hyzer flip once or twice, but I don't have much control on that shot....yet...
I club down from my destroyers to my avengers.
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Triflusal
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This is great. There are Pros that don't even throw 400 feet, yet everyone and their brother can throw an eagle 400+.
Settle down. I am allowed to have personal goals, and I don't care what the pros do. I want to throw far for the pleasure of ripping huge drives. Leave me alone.
Triflusal
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I think I would rather trust Blake T., Beto and the brains over at DGR rather than you or some other Joe Shmoe. Everything I have read there and tried has made me improve. I would not be where I am today without discing down and the right pec drill, among other things.
i_throw_bricks
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This is great. There are Pros that don't even throw 400 feet, yet everyone and their brother can throw an eagle 400+.
I definitely cannot throw an Eagle 400', and this is why I do not throw anything higher speed. And like I said, it is my opinion. Your are certainly entitled to disagree.
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One can throw a BB Aviar 360', Roc 400', and Teebird 500' with the same basic form, power, and trajectory. I played same card in a tourney with a dude that did this on the course.
You don't play much, do you?
djjeremiahj
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assuming your distance estimate is accurate....
YES.
you should find slower discs.
Not for the sake of anything more than boosting your score through accuracy.
why?
If you could throw a rhyno with pin point "up and down" accuracy up to 225' why would you throw anything else? - as long as the distance is within this range it's an "automatic park" everytime.
if you could throw a buzzz with absolute accuracy up to 275'.....park.
A glo gazelle up to 300'....park.
a teebird up to 325'....park
etc. (you get the idea)
its more about eliminating errors and having the absolute control and precision of a slower disc. Distance is great, but on most courses over 1/2 of the holes (as per my observation) are 325' or less.
I can throw a bit farther with my destroyer ("over 400' is all i know") and i can say that it's my favorite max distance driver, but unless i need to bomb a hole i never use it - i reach for much slower (< speed 9).
The game opens up when you can throw the slower discs farther than noobs can drive their katanas.
Do note... for you, really do your research (as the proper) disc, (in the right) weight and (in a certain) plastic type will add "seemingly" instant results. having the right discs DO make a difference if you can throw them correctly and far enough.
i'd post your bag (and distances) in the "shred my bag" thread and wade through the hostile words. They can help you a lot about refining your disc selection based on your distance requirements (aka "discing down" even though you really aren't) and throwing needs.
YES.
you should find slower discs.
Not for the sake of anything more than boosting your score through accuracy.
why?
If you could throw a rhyno with pin point "up and down" accuracy up to 225' why would you throw anything else? - as long as the distance is within this range it's an "automatic park" everytime.
if you could throw a buzzz with absolute accuracy up to 275'.....park.
A glo gazelle up to 300'....park.
a teebird up to 325'....park
etc. (you get the idea)
its more about eliminating errors and having the absolute control and precision of a slower disc. Distance is great, but on most courses over 1/2 of the holes (as per my observation) are 325' or less.
I can throw a bit farther with my destroyer ("over 400' is all i know") and i can say that it's my favorite max distance driver, but unless i need to bomb a hole i never use it - i reach for much slower (< speed 9).
The game opens up when you can throw the slower discs farther than noobs can drive their katanas.
Do note... for you, really do your research (as the proper) disc, (in the right) weight and (in a certain) plastic type will add "seemingly" instant results. having the right discs DO make a difference if you can throw them correctly and far enough.
i'd post your bag (and distances) in the "shred my bag" thread and wade through the hostile words. They can help you a lot about refining your disc selection based on your distance requirements (aka "discing down" even though you really aren't) and throwing needs.
djjeremiahj
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follow up post...
conceptually... based on your destroyer range...
You should have the range and pin point accuracy (course distance) for -
Putter (as a driver): "just shy of 250'": rhyno?
Approach (speed 5 or below): "over 250' but not really close to 300'" : buzzz?
Fairway (Speed 8, Teebird, Eagle, etc): "315-330": teebird, TL?
All purpose driver (Speed 8-10, SL, Valk, etc): "325'+" : Sl, Valkyrie?
* Do note, this is not "max range" but in the "golden zone" where you are not deliberately forcing the disc. These distances are "conceptually" the ranges for these discs (for you). If you keep these discs in these ranges, and not try to force them farther, you should find they are a very accurate and precise shot - ie, you have the potential to park any shot in the range with the disc you have every time. This is how bogeys become automatic Par's, and pars become gimmies or birdie attempts, everytime.
* I say this as the 360' with a TL is a very over extended shot where you lose accuracy for the sake of distance, near recklessness for the sake of distance. Whereas, the true "golden zone" for that disc, and you, is probably "anything over 300' and up to <around> 335'". - You and i throw the same discs in essentially the same distances, plus or minus a few feet. I know the max distance of every one of my disc, but i also understand the range where it performs best.
conceptually... based on your destroyer range...
You should have the range and pin point accuracy (course distance) for -
Putter (as a driver): "just shy of 250'": rhyno?
Approach (speed 5 or below): "over 250' but not really close to 300'" : buzzz?
Fairway (Speed 8, Teebird, Eagle, etc): "315-330": teebird, TL?
All purpose driver (Speed 8-10, SL, Valk, etc): "325'+" : Sl, Valkyrie?
* Do note, this is not "max range" but in the "golden zone" where you are not deliberately forcing the disc. These distances are "conceptually" the ranges for these discs (for you). If you keep these discs in these ranges, and not try to force them farther, you should find they are a very accurate and precise shot - ie, you have the potential to park any shot in the range with the disc you have every time. This is how bogeys become automatic Par's, and pars become gimmies or birdie attempts, everytime.
* I say this as the 360' with a TL is a very over extended shot where you lose accuracy for the sake of distance, near recklessness for the sake of distance. Whereas, the true "golden zone" for that disc, and you, is probably "anything over 300' and up to <around> 335'". - You and i throw the same discs in essentially the same distances, plus or minus a few feet. I know the max distance of every one of my disc, but i also understand the range where it performs best.
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I don't think your distance is too far from mine. I've found that I throw a Z Buzzz (a nice stable, flat one) out to 300'-310' comfortably. They're long, and extremely reliable in anything other than a strong headwind. I hardly even consider them a midrange. I only pull out the TL when the line is so tight that I want to throw 85%-90% and get the same distance, or when the ceiling is too low to get the Buzzz there without having to lace it.
If you've not thrown a Buzzz, give them a fair shot - even if you're a "Roc guy". I keep both in my bag. The Buzzz is more of a fairway driver than it is a mid.
If you've not thrown a Buzzz, give them a fair shot - even if you're a "Roc guy". I keep both in my bag. The Buzzz is more of a fairway driver than it is a mid.
and that's fine, completely within your right, but how does it make it right to start flame wars should someone choose opposite of you? Castigating those with different thought processes is called groupthink and is the downfall of many, many influential groups of people.
If it helps you, more power to ya. I'm happy that you found something to make the game more enjoyable and to up your skill set. It didn't work for me, so I'm simply letting people know there are other options.
...and I may be a joe schmo in the game right now, but I'm not making this stuff up. I've been fortunate enough to be involved with some very good, household name players that have helped my game.
bergdawg
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Ken Climo could come on here giving you tips under some name, and you'd tell him he was an idiot. Not everything has to be done one way, dude.
