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djjeremiahj said:
follow up post...

conceptually... based on your destroyer range...
You should have the range and pin point accuracy (course distance) for -
Putter (as a driver): "just shy of 250'": rhyno?
Approach (speed 5 or below): "over 250' but not really close to 300'" : buzzz?
Fairway (Speed 8, Teebird, Eagle, etc): "315-330": teebird, TL?
All purpose driver (Speed 8-10, SL, Valk, etc): "325'+" : Sl, Valkyrie?

* Do note, this is not "max range" but in the "golden zone" where you are not deliberately forcing the disc. These distances are "conceptually" the ranges for these discs (for you). If you keep these discs in these ranges, and not try to force them farther, you should find they are a very accurate and precise shot - ie, you have the potential to park any shot in the range with the disc you have every time. This is how bogeys become automatic Par's, and pars become gimmies or birdie attempts, everytime.

* I say this as the 360' with a TL is a very over extended shot where you lose accuracy for the sake of distance, near recklessness for the sake of distance. Whereas, the true "golden zone" for that disc, and you, is probably "anything over 300' and up to <around> 335'". - You and i throw the same discs in essentially the same distances, plus or minus a few feet. I know the max distance of every one of my disc, but i also understand the range where it performs best.
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I am going to have to disagree. It all depends on how you are throwing those discs to their max of 400'. I personally throw putters to around 270', buzzzes around 320, and teebirds around 380'. The next discs up in speed that I throw are Flows and I don't normally get them much past 400'. The higher speed discs are more nose angle sensitive and require more snap to get their distance. If the OP is like me, then he is probably controlling all his discs to the distances he says, and just needs to work on nose angles or fully hitting it with high speed discs to be able to get the distance gain on them that he has with the lower speed discs.

That's also pretty much what sidewinder22 said in the third post of this thread.
 
jongoff09 said:
I am going to have to disagree. It all depends on how you are throwing those discs to their max of 400'. I personally throw putters to around 270', buzzzes around 320, and teebirds around 380'. The next discs up in speed that I throw are Flows and I don't normally get them much past 400'. The higher speed discs are more nose angle sensitive and require more snap to get their distance. If the OP is like me, then he is probably controlling all his discs to the distances he says, and just needs to work on nose angles or fully hitting it with high speed discs to be able to get the distance gain on them that he has with the lower speed discs.

That's also pretty much what sidewinder22 said in the third post of this thread.
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not to be a d*ck or anything... but do you guys even read what others write in its entirety or do you just decide that whatever tangent that pops in your head when you scan across the words is the purpose?

obviously, if you had read the post, in its entirety, you would have come to a different conclusion. I am not sure that i wrote a dissertation about how far discs should travel, just that the fact, that if he maxes his destroyer out at 400', his TL (in an open field) at 375' should be an over extension of the disc's flight. as a result, i was explaining why someone would choose to disc down. Instead of real numbers maybe next time i should write "<Whatever the distance X for you is> is is probably overextended because
most people can only throw Z disc for Y distance."

in case you happened to get through all the words, i was telling the guy to disc down and why.....

i wish i had a magic wand, where i could teleport all of the guys on this forum to a neutral course, where we could see who, exactly, can play and who are Internet DG Gurus.

I'm sorry i just wanted to help someone...... It's always funny to me, how the guys on this forum, who are the biggest contrarians and problems only have 1-2 years by their playing experience. :doh:
 
djjeremiahj said:
not to be a d*ck or anything... but do you guys even read what others write in its entirety or do you just decide that whatever tangent that pops in your head when you scan across the words is the purpose?

obviously, if you had read the post, in its entirety, you would have come to a different conclusion. I am not sure that i wrote a dissertation about how far discs should travel, just that the fact, that if he maxes his destroyer out at 400', his TL (in an open field) at 375' should be an over extension of the disc's flight. as a result, i was explaining why someone would choose to disc down. Instead of real numbers maybe next time i should write "<Whatever the distance X for you is> is is probably overextended because
most people can only throw Z disc for Y distance."

in case you happened to get through all the words, i was telling the guy to disc down and why.....

i wish i had a magic wand, where i could teleport all of the guys on this forum to a neutral course, where we could see who, exactly, can play and who are Internet DG Gurus.

I'm sorry i just wanted to help someone...... It's always funny to me, how the guys on this forum, who are the biggest contrarians and problems only have 1-2 years by their playing experience. :doh:
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this is adding on:

you cant really "overextend" a discs distance, but there is a point when you are throwing too hard and losing accuracy, when a higher speed disc could get there easier.

most stable discs can be thrown really far (teebird, etc). they don't really have a cap on how far they go, it depends on the thrower.
 
bergdawg said:
Ken Climo could come on here giving you tips under some name, and you'd tell him he was an idiot. Not everything has to be done one way, dude.
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No, because the tips would be right. He is not gonna tell someone TLs can only go 300-335, and anything beyond that is out of "the golden zone (heheh)" for a TL.
 
Triflusal said:
No, because the tips would be right. He is not gonna tell someone TLs can only go 300-335, and anything beyond that is out of "the golden zone (heheh)" for a TL.
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Saw a guy throw a TL about 450 the other day,awesome to see that in person:thmbup:
 
bergdawg said:
Ken Climo could come on here giving you tips under some name, and you'd tell him he was an idiot. Not everything has to be done one way, dude.
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Ken Climo said, "When the Stingrays and Cobras were introduced in 1988, I could throw [them] 400 feet. For shorter drives [today], I throw Rocs. In the 350' range, I throw my longer rocs or short-range Firebirds [depending on the line]."

Hurmm...350-400' with mids. Guess that TL should be capped at 360'. :rolleyes:
 
sidewinder22 said:
Ken Climo said, "When the Stingrays and Cobras were introduced in 1988, I could throw [them] 400 feet. For shorter drives [today], I throw Rocs. In the 350' range, I throw my longer rocs or short-range Firebirds [depending on the line]."

Hurmm...350-400' with mids. Guess that TL should be capped at 360'. :rolleyes:
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ummm, 360' isn't in the golden zone

That overpowers the disc, everyone knows that
 
Triflusal said:
No, because the tips would be right. He is not gonna tell someone TLs can only go 300-335, and anything beyond that is out of "the golden zone (heheh)" for a TL.
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You think any advice that isn't in line with the Beto video or your buddies on this site is trrrbbblll. "I'd rather take advice from this 890 rated player over a 980 player anyday."

What's with this TL thing saying it's only suppose to go in a certain distance range. Where'd that come from? I feel most people on this site greatly over-estimate how far they throw. Do I have doubts an Eagle can be thrown over 400 feet? absolutely not. Do I have my doubts that a players who's been playing for .7 months can? definitely yes.
 
bergdawg said:
You think any advice that isn't in line with the Beto video or your buddies on this site is trrrbbblll. "I'd rather take advice from this 890 rated player over a 980 player anyday."

What's with this TL thing saying it's only suppose to go in a certain distance range. Where'd that come from? I feel most people on this site greatly over-estimate how far they throw. Do I have doubts an Eagle can be thrown over 400 feet? absolutely not. Do I have my doubts that a players who's been playing for .7 months can? definitely yes.
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Alright,lets just look at it this way.

There are lots of ways to learn how to throw a disc,some ways will progress quicker than others,the beto videos and the drills that go hand-in-hand have a pretty large following,and have been known to be successful.

The earlier you find out about these things,the easier it'll be to correct bad habits and form. Just because people disagree doesn't mean they can't play,but sometimes people just give really horrible advice.

And I really don't see a point in doubting him,he's clearly done his research,and assuming you believe his threads related to field work,he puts in the time out there just as much as on here,doubts are okay,but I'd rather doubt someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Also the "Golden Zone" is a reference to djjeremiah often using that term as a specific distance range in which he thinks a disc should be thrown,anything more,or less is not acceptable.
 
Connor Jones said:
Alright,lets just look at it this way.

There are lots of ways to learn how to throw a disc,some ways will progress quicker than others,the beto videos and the drills that go hand-in-hand have a pretty large following,and have been known to be successful.

There are other methods that are just as good. People don't have to automatically say that's the only way to get good. That to me seems like lack of knowledge of the game, saying there's only one way.

The earlier you find out about these things,the easier it'll be to correct bad habits and form. Just because people disagree doesn't mean they can't play,but sometimes people just give really horrible advice.

People on here discredit anyone who doesn't agree with the Beto video. People have different backgrounds in sports and what's comfortable for them. You don't HAVE to throw like him to be good. Most on here feel that way though.

And I really don't see a point in doubting him,he's clearly done his research,and assuming you believe his threads related to field work,he puts in the time out there just as much as on here,doubts are okay,but I'd rather doubt someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

That was more of a generalization on the board as a whole. But, yes, I doubt he can throw an Eagle or Teebird 380.

Also the "Golden Zone" is a reference to djjeremiah often using that term as a specific distance range in which he thinks a disc should be thrown,anything more,or less is not acceptable.
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Since so many people hate Cubby, and think that Prerube's reasons for hating him are legit, why don't more people call out the people who've been playing .5 years and are throwing 420-430, we all know they aren't hitting that. That's way more discouraging to a new player than Cubby's 500000 aces.
 
Oh well,done with this thread now :)

BTW,Kachtz could throw like 600 feet after half a year or something insane like that,there are videos and proof everywhere ;) It does happen.
 
so, since I'm too lazy to go through all these pages, tell me if this sums up right,

some noob probably inflates his internet distance, others give him the benefit of the doubt and give him advice. djjeriblahblah shows up with his bull****, and gets called out, the bergwhoever dick rides him?

sound about right?
 
ArcheType said:
so, since I'm too lazy to go through all these pages, tell me if this sums up right,

some noob probably inflates his internet distance, others give him the benefit of the doubt and give him advice. djjeriblahblah shows up with his bull****, and gets called out, the bergwhoever dick rides him?

sound about right?
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:thmbup: A+
 
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