Bill and Flip City probably have the biggest following of any course out there. I know there have many Flippys on this site and The KING Flippy will always be Tomjulio.
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Bill and Flip City probably have the biggest following of any course out there. I know there have many Flippys on this site and The KING Flippy will always be Tomjulio.
Tom a quite good player, in addition to being a good guy.
He would have to give me a stroke per hole for me to even have a prayer of winning one hole on an 18 hole course.
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Tom certainly loved him some Flip.
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Not Important But ... after the recent review of Harmony Bends DGC (another 5.0), the Missouri course should now be ranked No. 1 overall.
Harmony Bends: 118/24 = 4.9166
Selah Ranch: 260.5/53 = 4.9151
Harmony Bends: 118/24 = 4.9166
Selah Ranch: 260.5/53 = 4.9151
I think it gets rounded to the nearest hundredth, then the tie gets broken by most reviews.
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^^^this
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*considers breaking the tie by listing "Too far from my house" as a con for HB, and updating rating to 2.5.*
*realizes he'd have to do the same thing for Selah Lakeside*
*feels good about doing nothing*
*realizes he'd have to do the same thing for Selah Lakeside*
*feels good about doing nothing*
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I always get in on these discussions way late, but I like that someone calculated those TR numbers.
Out of curiosity, is it universally true that the TR number is lower than the "regular" number posted on DGCR? Or are there some courses favored by TRs that the noobs detest? Just curious how the "regular minus TR rating" numbers would look.
As for all the "not all reviews created equal" discussion, there are plenty of non-TRs with great reviews and fair/soberminded numerical ratings. As someone who just made it to bronze, I can vouch for the difficulty of getting to 100 up votes when your area isn't particularly DGCR obsessed and when you don't have a large group of fans... The easiest way for me to tell which are garbage (apart from looking at review length and content) is the courses played and reviewed numbers. If someone's played 1 and reviewed 1, there's over 99% chance it's unhelpful, generally just someone trying to boost or drop numbers.
As for my search strategy, I've always just used the "most helpful" filter instead of TR only. Then I generally get the TRs as well, but manage not to miss some equally helpful reviews that might be more up to date.
Not universally true.....Stoney Hill's TR rating is higher than its overall rating.
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There is a new #1 - Harmony Bends. What was that, about a 3-year run at the top for Selah Lakeside?
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Looking back through this thread, maybe it was early (Feb/Mar?) 2013 for Lakeside....so 4.5 years at #1?
I think that this is the 1st time that a course designer has the 1st and 2nd place spot at the same time. I am pretty sure that Chuck Kennedy had 2 in the top 10 at the same time, it might have been 3. Idlewild is almost gone from the top 10. It has been there since I joined.
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The Selah courses were 1,2 at one point.....both designed by Houck.
Harmony Bends is a great course, but the drainage issues keep it from being a full 5 disc course for me. I'll be interested to see if it falls any when those problems become more apparent in the spring.
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You make a valid point. To which I respond:
1) To a certain degree, people can only rate it based on what it's like when they play it. If it was dry when they played it, so be it.
2) My son and I had already planned our trip to coincide with the Tigers being in KC, and ended up playing HB the day after a downpour that forced locals to cancel the 2nd round of a tournament. Based on what I'd read about the course, I picked up a couple of pairs of knee-high rubber galoshes ... glad I did! The water was not bad at all on the front 9, or 15 - 18, but much of the fairways from 10 - 14 were under water up anywhere from 2"-6" deep. I don't think any of the tees were submerged. Even with most of 10-14 under water, it was without qualification, one of the very best DG experiences I've ever had.
3) How should one account for a course's tendency to hold water when reviewing/rating?
I've played other courses in flood plains, and rate them based on what I think are typical conditions, but clearly indicate in my review if the course tends to hold water or drains well, and let the course conditions tell people whether it flooded or swampy. I don't necessarily thing the overall rating should reflect how the course plays in it's poorest state, but there's something to be said for factoring in the likelihood of said poorest state.
No doubt HB will be wet for more days of the year than other courses in the area, and players might be wise to road tripping to HB during spring thaw/rains.
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The previous few comments got me thinking?
Do we have a list of all courses that have ever been #1 since DGCR started.
How about all courses that have ever been in the top 10.
When and the number of weeks would also be a bonus (kind of like Billboard Music charts or the AP poll in college sports).
This may not be the thread to brainstorm it in, I am just asking the question if this has been done, or if it could be done.
(Can't wait to check out Harmony Bends!)
Do we have a list of all courses that have ever been #1 since DGCR started.
How about all courses that have ever been in the top 10.
When and the number of weeks would also be a bonus (kind of like Billboard Music charts or the AP poll in college sports).
This may not be the thread to brainstorm it in, I am just asking the question if this has been done, or if it could be done.
(Can't wait to check out Harmony Bends!)
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why do you think Maple Hill is not top 10? Looks so fun on video.
Someone gave it a 1/2 star review recently.
Selah Lakeside just got its lowest rating - 3.5. Reviewer copy & pasted the same generic review for both Lakeside and Creekside. Reviews would have a lot more merit if they were fine tuned to include specifics about both courses.
