[MVP] MVP Axis

[UnitedPuppySlayer]

You can probably ask for a scale to use too, to see if there are any lighter than what they were actually marked. So these 174gs I have might actually be 170-172

 

[Oklahyzer]

I know that I have personal ties with MVP, but that being said they are just so much cooler as people and as a company than anything else in disc golf that I'm familiar with. They read everything on these boards and are obsessive about everything they make. So I think the support they are getting on the boards is because they make great discs and are an awesome new company that is more accessible to us than any other as well.

I do appreciate this about them, and the quality is top notch. Being around cool people is fun, but having been around the mtb/bmx scene for a long time, I've found that the end product is what matters most. Lots of cool peeps made cool companies and then tanked or screwed their customers over...but damn they were fun while they were around. (and in no way am I suggesting MVP will tank or screw people...can't see that happening at all. Just saying that I don't care how cool someone is or how cool other people think they are when they are manufacturing and selling me a product.)

 

[Oklahyzer]

I tend to agree. They're nice discs and the new manufacturing method is exciting, but they're not magical. Hopefully MVP will keep expanding their catalog and come out with some truly groundbreaking molds.

Is that even possible? There are so damn many discs on the market now, it's hard to imagine anything "new" at all. MVP's process is awesome, but I wouldn't call it a huge step forward. Blizzard might be the one huge advance that we've seen since premium plastics came about. Molds, though...it'd have to be something really...I don't know what it would have to be. "Special"

 

[discspeed]

I do appreciate this about them, and the quality is top notch. Being around cool people is fun, but having been around the mtb/bmx scene for a long time, I've found that the end product is what matters most. Lots of cool peeps made cool companies and then tanked or screwed their customers over...but damn they were fun while they were around. (and in no way am I suggesting MVP will tank or screw people...can't see that happening at all. Just saying that I don't care how cool someone is or how cool other people think they are when they are manufacturing and selling me a product.)

I guess you couldn't really know how much of a nerd I am when reading my posts, so perhaps I should be more clear on my definition of "cool". I'm not talking Zach Morris cool...I'm talking about Chad/Brad's enthusiasm and commitment to making better products, their "never stop working" ethics, their attention to every detail, their QC process, their attitude toward customer service, and their responsiveness to their customer base, etc. IMO, these are the exact type of things you should consider when supporting a company with your money given that their products are top notch.

 

[discspeed]

Is that even possible? There are so damn many discs on the market now, it's hard to imagine anything "new" at all. MVP's process is awesome, but I wouldn't call it a huge step forward. Blizzard might be the one huge advance that we've seen since premium plastics came about. Molds, though...it'd have to be something really...I don't know what it would have to be. "Special"

MVP's process is a huge step forward...In an industry in which there was a totally accepted "oh well, that's injection molding" excuse for a lack of consistency and precision in manufacturing discs MVP came on the scene making discs as or more consistent than the competition, and they are molding each disc twice. That's twice as much effort, time, and precision. And they are selling their discs for about the same price as the competition. Maybe to date none of their molds are heads and shoulders above the competition in terms of flight...I think their willingness to go to extra effort and do things the right way in terms of processes is setting them up for even bigger innovations in the future. And when that happens no other company will be able to copy them without redefining their standards of production quality.

So I feel that if MVP continues to grow and become a more major player in the industry the principles they represent are going to bleed into the rest of the sport. This is one major reason I support them.

 

[Oklahyzer]

MVP's process is a huge step forward...In an industry in which there was a totally accepted "oh well, that's injection molding" excuse for a lack of consistency and precision in manufacturing discs MVP came on the scene making discs as or more consistent than the competition, and they are molding each disc twice. That's twice as much effort, time, and precision. And they are selling their discs for about the same price as the competition. Maybe to date none of their molds are heads and shoulders above the competition in terms of flight...I think their willingness to go to extra effort and do things the right way in terms of processes is setting them up for even bigger innovations in the future. And when that happens no other company will be able to copy them without redefining their standards of production quality.

So I feel that if MVP continues to grow and become a more major player in the industry the principles they represent are going to bleed into the rest of the sport. This is one major reason I support them.

I totally get ya here, and what you meant by cool, as well. I'm definitely not an MVP hater, just think the discs thus far are overhyped, despite all of the very good things about them and the company, etc. Maybe a better way of putting my statement above is that, for my money, the product has to be worth supporting and serve my needs best vs. other choices before I'll lay down the coin, even if it's a great company. Maybe if I were wealthy I'd be more generous. Thus far, even though the quality is awesome and the discs are very nice, I just can't find anything so special about them to justify some of the buzz. It wouldn't matter if the discs were cheaper or more expensive than others. Right now I don't own a Vector, but I may pick one up because the couple I've thrown looked like they'll work for me. Axis not so much, but I definitely won't hate on it. I'll be more interested when they come out with some fairways and if they can get a disc that has a little turn without needing added anny (as a lefty, that matters a lot to me).

From talking to people and watching the 'net (and my own throws with a few), it seems to me that gyro-tech does well for throwers on either end of the sport. Experienced throwers with clean form and snap can make them really shine. Beginning/low-powered throwers can use them with less performance, and within reason, they won't oat them to death at lower speeds. That leaves the rest of us in the middle, where there are form issues as well as a little increased power...not such a great combo for these discs, it seems. Of course the same can be said for some other normal plastic, too. There's always hype with new products, and often an equal share of buyer's remorse or "disillusionment" later on. Seems to be the case here as well. I'm just surprised at some of the persuasions here that seem to be marketing MVP as a cure-all do-anything-anytime disc for the masses. Really seems that they're best suited for upper level throwers. And that's all good.

 

[JoshEpoo]

I'm not talking Zach Morris cool...

Soooo....Screech cool? AC Slater cool? The next MVP mold: Dustin's Diamond Driver.

I know nothing of plastic technology but I'm imagining a scenario where the core and overmold would be made of a number of different combinations of materials. I know there are limitations with the bonding properties of the plastics but it would be cool. If nothing else, I agree with discspeed that their work ethic and determination to make high quality interesting products is awesome, and just what the disc doctor ordered.

 

[discspeed]

This is a good discussion with a lot of valid points. I agree that to some degree MVP's discs currently cater to higher level players and those with clean form/release. I also think that a lot of people buy MVP discs expecting magic, then throw them initially without getting used to the grip/learning the disc and are disillusioned when magic doesn't happen. Getting used to the feel, grip, and release could take a little time, but it pays dividends.

So far, the Axis is the only MVP disc I've tested that I didn't throw with a tiny bit of OAT initially. Due to this, almost all my initial reviews have made the discs sound straighter than they ended up for me. After I ironed out that bit of OAT discs like the Ion and Vector went from fairly straight to pretty overstable. It happened to me again today as my soft Anodes were flying more and more LSS on drives.

 

[tampabay]

As much as people say these cater to either beginners or pros I have to disagree.

Essentially these discs are doing what people having been trying to do for months. I have seen so many post of "back to just comets to clean up my form."

If you are a decent player, the biggest difference you have from the advanced/pros is tiny advances in form. These discs are fantastic for showing those flaws in your form. Are they going to make a decent player a pro? Absolutely not.

However, I think anything we (decent player) can possibly do to improve our form is a GOOD thing. Who cares if you can't throw an ion 350 feet, it honestly doesn't really matter. As a decent player myself, I know the axis has really forced me to learn how to get clean form on the axis. It holds lines, regardless of what they are, harder than any disc I've thrown. This really teaches you to intentionally throw with hyzer or anhyzer or pay the price. I think these are probably the most beneficial to average players because they need smaller tweaks in their game than newbies do.

Just my .02

 

[Jeronimo]

Not to dog on MVP in anyway Discspeed but what you're describing is actually pretty typical to any manufacturing company that starts investing in a Quality program. The guys at MVP clearly understand Quality Engineering principles and have put them into practice. It never hurts a business unless it's done half assed. So I give them props for committing to it but it's not necessarily some new concept they came up with

 

[aajpity]

Gyro Technology is a breakthrough IMO. Consistency is something Innova lacks so MVP is definitely ahead in the game.

 

[discspeed]

Not to dog on MVP in anyway Discspeed but what you're describing is actually pretty typical to any manufacturing company that starts investing in a Quality program. The guys at MVP clearly understand Quality Engineering principles and have put them into practice. It never hurts a business unless it's done half assed. So I give them props for committing to it but it's not necessarily some new concept they came up with

It sure is new to this sport.

 

[UnitedPuppySlayer]

I don't remember him saying it was new? Definitely a huge concept that gets overlooked in this sport. Between DC, Innova, GDS, and MVP, I'd say that MVP has the edge consistency wise.

 

[MrGlass01]

Quick question about consistency? If ther is so much of it with MVP, why the search for fr vector fr axis? If they were consistent why? Just curious I don't have stacks of these to compare, and if they are consistent I shouldn't worry about color run etc? Again all 4 molds are in the bag so I'm not hating persay but if the testers are looking for certain runs what does that say about consistency. Forgive my ignorance on the matter.

 

[discspeed]

It would be silly to try and quell any variance within a given mold...Just think how much business that would lose. Everybody wants something a little different, and if some colors are known as being more stable than others people can find what they are looking for. All MVP's discs I've thrown have been true to the character of their mold regardless of if they were a tick one way or the other on the stability scale. I've also never come across a truly freak MVP disc in terms of flight. I'd say this is pretty good consistency, especially considering each disc is molded twice essentially.

 

[MrGlass01]

Thanks for clearing it up speed. I am just asking to make sure, I honestly know all the lil differences, the MVP threads are burned into my brain, but I like the colors I like,and am too lazy to hunt certain ones down. Minor differences I can handle, nothing like buying two rivers and get a leopard and a teebird instead. Go MVP!

 

[UnitedPuppySlayer]

Thanks for clearing it up speed. I am just asking to make sure, I honestly know all the lil differences, the MVP threads are burned into my brain, but I like the colors I like,and am too lazy to hunt certain ones down. Minor differences I can handle, nothing like buying two rivers and get a leopard and a teebird instead. Go MVP!

I ended up with one of these... The double molding is the biggest reason I consider them the most consistent. Innova has a single injection mold and they have a hard time staying consistent.

 

[Oklahyzer]

Quick question about consistency? If ther is so much of it with MVP, why the search for fr vector fr axis? If they were consistent why? Just curious I don't have stacks of these to compare, and if they are consistent I shouldn't worry about color run etc? Again all 4 molds are in the bag so I'm not hating persay but if the testers are looking for certain runs what does that say about consistency. Forgive my ignorance on the matter.

I think I'd attribute that to shaking down the process and making small changes based on user feedback....seems like that's what I've read, anyway. Time will tell...both on consistency and on commitment to quality and customer service, etc., just like with every startup business. So far so good, and hopefully the big guys take notice of that aspect!

 

[MrGlass01]

Of all my mvps I noticed very lil difference just making sure I didn't miss anything in any of the threads. In fact I love the consistency and I will say that the company is just awesome, they listen to their customers, have done the right thing with the testers, building the hype. I love the reviews and I also hate them, I know when ups, speed or mike c get their reviews up, it means I'm spending paper.

 

[UnitedPuppySlayer]

The only thing I have seen lacking lately from them is the weights the put on the discs. They seem to be a little off lately. But at the end of the day, it's nothing but a number.