Jacquard iDye Poly -- Rit Replacement

[Dan Howard]

So I made a point of leaving the iDyed Yoda disc face to face with a pink Z Nuke all day today, probably 40 holes of golf and saw no sign of black on the nuke. That nuke is a backup and never left the bag and I get into the bag a lot, ~4-5 hrs of jostling around on an 80 degree day. I think it's gonna be comparable to Rit, you dye the bottom rim black and it'll leave a nice circle on the disc it's next to, but otherwise it's not gonna be an issue.

 

[solomon.trenton]

cool, thanks for your report. it will be interesting to see how it fades over time

 

[NoThingness]

Ya thanks for the field tests Dan!

 

[maansmit]

I wonder if this dye will work better on the new transparent Ions than Rit does...

 

[BigBadBid]

get's on everything but especially your fingers

Dan buddy, I was just going back though this thread and found the msds sheet in the original post. If you are using the intensifier you should totally be wearing gloves cuz its an organic ester and it will creep into your system. Msds can be a little overly scary but better safe than sorry... On the up side this stuff sounds far better from a chemistry point of view for dying the kinds of plastic that we do.

 

[scarwig]

has anyone tried this on DX plastic at all?

 

[MrFixIt]

has anyone tried this on DX plastic at all?

Good question...:thmbup:

 

[superium]

Jo-Ann fabrics has all dyes at 25% off. I was a lil upset since I had ther ad 40% off coupon reg price item but whatever. I like jaquard's color choices, so many purples. Crimson and gold caught my attention as well. I still havent seen a good blood red color yet. Im thinking mixing fire red with black or a dark purple.

 

[maansmit]

I think Jacquard only has 8 colors in the iDye Poly which is what you need for discs. Their regular dye won't work on plastic I believe. I think the colors you mentioned are the regular dye which won't work.

 

[MartyK]

Superium, maansmit is right, return any unopened ones that you have that are not the ipoly brand.

 

[maansmit]

maansmit is right

I don't get to hear that very often...

 

[Scho]

So how is everyone mixing their dye? Is it one packet to 32oz water or what? I looked on their website and there no mixing instructions. Planning on picking some up on my way home tonight.

Thanks!

 

[bombmk]

Have been trying this out over the last two days. Discs are not ready yet - they are cooking in shaving cream atm - so don't have final results, but heres what I experienced so far:

Everything I did was on Opto or Champion plastic.
Tried the black - no intensifier. The first disc, red seethrough was as good as could be expected I would say. The next one, seethrough green/yellow, did not seem to take, but I assumed it was the temperature.
So continued it tonight and mixed up another batch using the intensifier and dumped it in again. Big mistake. The intensifier resulted in the color being extremely gooish on the disc. And sticky. As in VERY. Like Dan had described it, only worse. Seemed to result in a dull matte layer on top of the disc.
Extremely annoying and timeconsuming to get rid of. I could not go crazy on it as some vinyl had to stay on for some more coloring (hence the shaving cream.). So we will see when they come out.

It might be the result of me mixing the dye and intensifier in while the water was heated up - and not at the beginning and then heated up like the instruction says. But I can't say until I try that out with another batch some day.

I tried a third, second in dye+intensifier - and it did not seem as bad - but still annoying to deal with - and def not giving the black I saw from Dan. When I emptied out the pan it seem liked something was clumped up in small balls (3-4 pinheads sizewise). Same thing was all over the discs when picked up. Did not see anything like it in the red that I had dissolving at the same time (with intensifier) - not heated up yet, though.

So it might very well be the order of me doing things that messed it up big time.

So, a lot of variables in this - be careful about the intensifier. At least dump it in first and then heat up like the instructions say.

Will post pictures tomorrow or weekend at the latest.

Oh - and with the intensifier it seemed to dig in to the cut lines and dye very thin lines. Could be the fact that I had them in and out a few times to deal with/check on the goo thing. But I did not see it when I did not use the intensifier. So be on the lookout for that. Again: Could just be me

 

[bombmk]

Mix was about 1 L to the dye ingredients. Thats 32-33 ounces I believe?

 

[Dan Howard]

Bomb I had that problem the second time I used the black, had a very noticeable oily particulate mess on top. I used a piece of cheesecloth and skimmed as much as I could, still saw some of the dull matte on the disc but it came off with running water and gentle rubbing. I proceeded to run two more discs through it without any problem, the color was good on all three.

My mix protocol:
Heat 24oz water in microwave to 180, add dye mix and intensifier and stir for 2-3 minutes. Add a couple of ice cubes to cool to 135 and put it in the pot. Total volume ends up around 28 ozs.

 

[bombmk]

...still saw some of the dull matte on the disc but it came off with running water and gentle rubbing. I proceeded to run two more discs through it without any problem, the color was good on all three.

Yeah, seems that it will come off. Just havent been able to really get at it, as its in between vinyl parts that needed to stay on. But glad to hear that it still turned out ok.
Was afraid it would result in little to no coloring on those parts - if it had somehow shielded the plastic from actual dyeing. Figured it wouldn't, but was slightly panicking as it is ordered prize discs for Saturday - and I have little time Friday evening. (ok, it was a bit more than "slightly" )

Still a bit anxious about how the marbling will turn out on the transparent discs. NO idea how the colors will turn out on the red one especially. But the customer gets what the customer wants.

Thank you for calming me down a bit, Dan.

Will post pictures tomorrow evening.

 

[solomon.trenton]

has anyone had any problems with tranferring yet?

 

[bombmk]

Small followup on my Jacquard adventure: The shaving cream cleaned the gooish parts up. And the black looks fine.

 

[ZBoazMobster]

Is I-Dye just as effective? Or is it necessary that it be I-Dye Poly? Just bought a few packs, and only one was available in Poly...

 

[Dan Howard]

I think Jacquard has split RIT into it's two components. A disperse (or acid) dye (the I-Dye Poly) for poly blends and a direct dye (standard I-Dye) for cellulose based matl's (cotton, wool...). If this is correct the standard I-Dye will not work on discs, but I could be wrong, who's gonna try it???

There's some interesting reading on Jacquards I-dye poly here. The last bit on acrylics pertains to us, but this site is full of interesting bits of info, even a blurb about dyeing discs. She says there is no need for the intensifier.