PDGA Smoking Ban

[Chiefstang]

Here's the key sentence in the original link:

The dues paying members have spoken. More of their money wants the smoking ban so they're doing it. The hand full of members who attend several of these events don't have the voting power to affect it and apparently smokers are either in favor of the ban or aren't numerous enough to matter. People saying that smoking won't adversely affect the popularity of the sport apparently don't understand what "popular" means. When it comes to popularity the majority is, by definition, right.

Comparing an emerging sport to a well established one doesn't make much sense in this case. Smoking is becoming less and less socially acceptable so it will be tolerated less. Established sports with rules allowing smoking will be able to allow it for a while becasue they already have popularity, but emerging sports won't have that luxury. In other words, established sports will eventually have to abide by what's socially acceptable (and have in the past), but new sports have to be more proactive about it to help increase their popularity. They can't afford to do unpopular things becasue they don't have the established base to support it.

A.)I am a dues paying member, and was given a list of candidates to choose from. Only one of the fifteen or so even mentioned their stance on smoking. How was I supposed to make an educated vote? Where was our opinion to be heard?

B.) Why does it have to be such a cut and dry ban? Why can no concessions be made to meet the needs of both parties. We have infractions and penalties for things far less serious than smoking. What about violations for smoking on camera? Courtesy violations for being an idiot and smoking next to someone while putting? When I'm waiting 15 minutes for three groups to play through the inevitable bottleneck hole, let me step aside and smoke.

If people aren't happy with the PDGA's decision, they're always free to make it known with their pocketbooks and not give them any money next year. Wish I could do the same regarding my taxes.

Unfortunately, that's what I did. I also contacted the PDGA to let them know why. It'll cost me ten bucks more to play in the (smoking) tourneys, but I'll put my money where my mouth is.

 

[grodney]

Why can no concessions be made to meet the needs of both parties.

You confuse "needs" and "wants".

 

[jtbingster]

True^^. Unless Chief is saying he stinks at golf and has to inhale nicotine to be able to play... which I highly doubt.

 

[Chiefstang]

You confuse "needs" and "wants".

Touche. What about all the rest of the words?

 

[Chiefstang]

True^^. Unless Chief is saying he stinks at golf and has to inhale nicotine to be able to play... which I highly doubt.

I DO stink at golf!

 

[DavidSauls]

A.)I am a dues paying member, and was given a list of candidates to choose from. Only one of the fifteen or so even mentioned their stance on smoking. How was I supposed to make an educated vote? Where was our opinion to be heard?

I think the reference was to the lengthy survey PDGA completed (or didn't), not the BOD election.

I think.

 

[Thumber]

I quit smoking using a nicotine vaporizer. I am no longer smoking, but I do still have a nicotine addicition

I would think that the PDGA would support people who are trying to stop smoking. it is a terrible addiction

The vaporizer is not a smoking device. It is a vaporizer

The one I use looks nothing like a cigarette and that's how I want it. I don't want it to look like I am smoking

The players who use these will likely continue as you can just palm the vaporizer.....take a pull, hold it a bit and there is almost no vape that comes out. i have even used it on a plane and no one was the wiser....just hold the vape for a few seconds then exhale it into your shirt

I don't really have an opinion on the ban itself, just thopught I would shed some light on vaporizers. If you are a smoker, really consider one. No tar, CO or carcinogens. I quit smoking overnight

 

[billnchristy]

Are cloves legal? (gack)

 

[scarpfish]

It'll cost me ten bucks more to play in the (smoking) tourneys, but I'll put my money where my mouth is.

Umm, that extra $10 per tourney still goes into the PDGA's coffers, and unlike a membership, you get no voting privileges which would allow you to change the system from within.

No money to the PDGA means not only no membership, but no sanctioned events, until your demands are met.

But thank you for exemplifying why any effort to protest this is an empty threat and will never be anything more than idle complaining on a message board. Too many of you want your sanctioned events more than you want your nicotine.

 

[oddjob]

So can we put the alchohol tourney ban to a vote? Think the majority would be in favor of allowing it.

 

[Brall]

not getting anything new by scanning over this thread that wasn't already covered here. can anything new be summed up from this thread?

 

[Chiefstang]

Umm, that extra $10 per tourney still goes into the PDGA's coffers, and unlike a membership, you get no voting privileges which would allow you to change the system from within.

No money to the PDGA means not only no membership, but no sanctioned events, until your demands are met.

But thank you for exemplifying why any effort to protest this is an empty threat and will never be anything more than idle complaining on a message board. Too many of you want your sanctioned events more than you want your nicotine.

OOooohhh! You got me!:hfive: I gues also buying any PDGA approved discs also puts money in their pockets too! I'm going to throw paper plates to prove my point.

I know some money goes to the PDGA, but I voiced my opinion with my membership. Or lack therof. How is that: A.) A threat; or B.) Empty?

not getting anything new by scanning over this thread that wasn't already covered here. can anything new be summed up from this thread?

I've brought up a couple of very valid points regarding how we were supposed to vote for someone without knowing their stance. Someone mentioned the 25 page Pepsi vs. Coke "marketing" survey that had a question on page 23 about smoking.

Also wondering why there is no compromise in the complete and total ban on smoking. Courtesy violations, etc...

Nobody has addressed those.

Oh, and PreRube tried to derail it, but was thwarted by a group of hearty smokers, so it's not in the landfill yet.

Also a poll, which is close enough to warrant the smoking members of dg to have at least some voice in the matter.

...And don't pee on people, 'cause that's rude.

 

[prerube]

I did not derail anything, I stayed on topic.

cool pen vaporizers, but you would look funny sucking on a pen.
If you call it a vaporizer, and it does not look like a cig, I doubt you would get called on it.

 

[Chiefstang]

^Damn he's fast!

 

[prerube]

^Damn he's fast!

because I am not a smoker

...check the change in the sig (not the cig)

 

[Alin]

Read below:

I wholeheartedly agree with Charles Barkley when he stated that he is not a role model. No athlete should ever be saddled with being a role model except for those he/she is close with. Nor should any child look up to someone who they have never met. Family members are role models. For those that do not have a family - the people they are close to are role models.

 

[prerube]

I wholeheartedly agree with Charles Barkley when he stated that he is not a role model. No athlete should ever be saddled with being a role model except for those he/she is close with. Nor should any child look up to someone who they have never met. Family members are role models. For those that do not have a family - the people they are close to are role models.

It is a hazard of being famous. you will be a role model, like it or not. Obviously it is not the best scenerio, but it is the way the world works.

 

[Chiefstang]

LMAO! Come out and try!!! Playin' Beaver Ranch in a minute. DG life is good here...

My goal is now complete, I've made Ruby's sig!

Wait... Do I get an achievement medal for that?

Back on topic before I bounce; What other rules could be put in place instead of a ban? Some things that would keep both armies happy? Keep this thread productive.

<hopes it's not landfilled by the time he gets back>

 

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ANY Cig smoke near me - :thmbdown:

 

[John Rock]

OOooohhh! You got me!:hfive: I gues also buying any PDGA approved discs also puts money in their pockets too! I'm going to throw paper plates to prove my point.

I know some money goes to the PDGA, but I voiced my opinion with my membership. Or lack therof. How is that: A.) A threat; or B.) Empty?




I've brought up a couple of very valid points regarding how we were supposed to vote for someone without knowing their stance. Someone mentioned the 25 page Pepsi vs. Coke "marketing" survey that had a question on page 23 about smoking.

Also wondering why there is no compromise in the complete and total ban on smoking. Courtesy violations, etc...

Nobody has addressed those.

Oh, and PreRube tried to derail it, but was thwarted by a group of hearty smokers, so it's not in the landfill yet.

Also a poll, which is close enough to warrant the smoking members of dg to have at least some voice in the matter.

...And don't pee on people, 'cause that's rude.

Doesn't the part about setting up smoke stations at the TD's discretion mean some sort of compromise?