DGCR Player Rating vs. reality

[Grinder12000]

OK - my player rating after 5 rounds us 733 which to me begs the question.

What is the bottom. I doubt there are any 100 players, or 200 or 500?

I would love to see a distribution of DGCR Player Ratings. I know all players ratings are not the say and some people will of course play differently so their vanity rating will be higher.

And many really poor players (500s??) will never actually put in their rounds.

IS there a chart anywhere that anyone has ever seen??

 

[New013]

There apparently was a guy with a rating below 100. He had a negative round rating and it didn't get dropped.

 

[Halcón]

There are players in the 600's. That's really poor playing...but they have as good a time as the rest of us.

I would guess that the average rating of DGCR's players is around 850.

 

[LeBryson James]

956

I've only played one round below 900

But I would say 850-875 is average for DGCR

 

[JTacoma03]

The thing about DGCR ratings (I don't have one, I defer to my PDGA rating if asked) would be that it doesn't matter. It only matters what you do in tournaments. Comparing casual round ratings for anything more than entertainment purposes is pointless.

 

[LeBryson James]

Oh I get the question now. Duh...

My PDGA rating is 956 with only one round under 900. My casual play is no where near how I play tournaments. I don't care as much and I try new things and I rush my shots and putts. But I would say I'm around a 900-920 rated casual player lol.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

In my case, the DGCR ratings are higher than my PDGA rating. That can be a function of:

1) Some people only enter rounds they are proud of in their scorebook, rather than all rounds (or at least a wide sampling of good/avg/bad rounds) so their PDGA ratings is skewed because it only reflects so the upper end of their abilities, but not necessarily what you can expect from them any given day. Up until now, this was me - I had no real incentive to enter anything close to every round I played.

2) For the most part DGCR Ratings for a given round seem to be relatively congruent with PDGA ratings, but that won't be the case for many courses. For example, I shot even (54) at Firefighters, which is a DGCR 943 rated round. No way in hell a 54 at Fire Fighters gets rated 943 in a sanctioned event. For comparison, I shot a +1 (PDGA rated 837) and a -5 (PDGA rated 899) in the last Sanctioned event there (Fire Fighter's Classic, featuring 6 supplemental holes), but that gives you an idea that a par round there might be rated about 843, not 943.


I'm not knocking the DGCR ratings at all, I'm simply pointing out that they're at least partially based are based on descriptors (heavily, moderately, lightly wooded, hilly vs. flat) and hole distances to approximate the SSA for each course, and two courses could end up with similar SSA's, but generate significantly different scoring distributions because they play quite differently, despite looking quite similar "on paper."

 

[sisyphus]

My DGCR rating (913) is quite a bit higher than my PDGA (877). I attribute this to a variety of factors.

• I tend to press a bit too much in tourney play, and am much more relaxed in a casual (and especially a solo) round.
• I often throw two sets of discs in casual play, to get more practice in, and, well, there's a practice effect on the scores.
• Many tournament rounds use a different format (extra holes that mean my lower tourney scores often don't figure in my DGCR rating).
• Tourneys usually have much more strict OB rules, etc.

These are just some of the reasons I can think of off the top of my head... :\

I still think it's a neat feature! :clap:

 

[Curtis_Valk]

2) For the most part DGCR Ratings for a given round seem to be relatively congruent with PDGA ratings, but that won't be the case for many courses. For example, I shot even (54) at Firefighters, which is a DGCR 943 rated round. No way in hell a 54 at Fire Fighters gets rated 943 in a sanctioned event.

I thought so. I have been playing disc golf since last November and some of my earliest DGCR entries were in the high 600s. My better rounds have since climbed into the low 800s. However, I had my suspicions that my recent 60 (+4) at The Cedars was not worth a 909 rating. Still, it bumped my overall DGCR rating up from 794 to 799 so I'm not complaining!

Curtis

 

[sloppydisc]

I have never had a rating. I think I am capable of losing to anyone on a given day and course, and once in a greta while I can beat a decent player. I am whatever the definition of inconsistently average is. Unless there is beer involved. Then I am pretty darn good...on the right course.

 

[New013]

The thing about DGCR ratings (I don't have one, I defer to my PDGA rating if asked) would be that it doesn't matter. It only matters what you do in tournaments. Comparing casual round ratings for anything more than entertainment purposes is pointless.

Lol, yea you are the kind of person who would think the only thing that matters is what you do in a PDGA sanctioned tournament.

What about people who don't give a **** about the PDGA and tournaments? What about the people who only play casual rounds?

Who died and made the PDGA the king of all things competitive disc golf? Do you realize how many unsanctioned leagues and tournaments are going on? Do you realize that there are more local competitions happening on a weekly basis than anything sanctioned by the PDGA?

Are you saying those groups and people shouldn't have a system at their disposal to use in the same manner that the PDGA uses player ratings?

Yea you are saying those things and that's why I rarely agree with anything you say.

 

[Grinder12000]

Comparing casual round ratings for anything more than entertainment purposes is pointless.

ummmmm - that is the whole point for DGCR Player Ratings isn't it? They are not used for anything are they?

It only matters what you do in tournaments.

Glad you don't ball golf!

Which is why DGCR Player Ratings are just an estimate and is only for people to compare how THEY are doing.

Off topic

Unless there is beer involved. Then I am pretty darn good...on the right course.

Beer in ball golf helps drives alot . . . but plays havoc with putting.

On topic - no one has actually answered the question but that's fine I was just curious.

 

[Dave242]

Who died and made the PDGA the king of all things competitive disc golf? Do you realize how many unsanctioned leagues and tournaments are going on? Do you realize that there are more local competitions happening on a weekly basis than anything sanctioned by the PDGA?

Whose rules do all these other tournaments defer to?

 

[New013]

Our club plays by our own rules, there are a number of PDGA rules we don't follow and rules we've added in. Most of the basic rules of disc golf weren't established by the PDGA anyway so don't act like they invented the sport. That's like saying if you play basketball you're under the jurisdiction of the NBA.

 

[Grinder12000]

Whose rules do all these other tournaments defer to?

I think the beef was that the ratings were said to be completely meaningless and useless. Not that the PDGA was completely meaningless and useless.

JTacoma03 was saying that unless your rating in a PDGA tournament your scores were meaningless.

Which is just a silly thing to say and maybe it was beer talking. In ball golf I have a handicap that I enter every round even casual rounds. But I also play ball golf like it WAS a tournament. Rules are rules, even casual rounds.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

On topic - no one has actually answered the question but that's fine I was just curious.

I tried to, but perhaps I misunderstood.

Thread title is "DGCR Ratings vs. Reality." I supposed we could mince definitions, but as I understand it, the purpose of DCGR Ratings is to approximate what the PDGA ratings would be for rounds entered in your DGCR Scorebook (i.e. I took reality to mean PDGA rating).*

Most people have generally found pretty good congruency between the two (within 10-15 rating points for a given round). I was pointing out a glaring 100 point difference between the two ratings for a par round at essentially the same course, and explained a possible reason for that difference.

Or, did I completely misinterpret your question?

* My disclaimer for the politically minded: Not intended as any endorsement for/against the PDGA. Just explaining my interpretation the OP's use of "DGCR Ratings vs. Reality," based on my understanding of DGCR Ratings.

 

[Grinder12000]

Actually the fault is mine as I sort of morphed my original question into something else!

I was wondering what the distribution was for ratings. Was it a bell curve of is it top heavy. If there are 100s are there . . 2000s?? How high can you get

 

[Halcón]

Record for an official rating is 1132 by Paul McBeth.

Low is...who knows. Probably in the 500's.

 

[New013]

There apparently was a guy with a rating below 100. He had a negative round rating and it didn't get dropped.

Low is...who knows. Probably in the 500's.

read above

 

[onemilemore]

I'm fairly confident my DGCR rating of 890 is higher than my PDGA rating would be if I had one. I attribute this to familiarity with my home course, and the fact that if I were playing a tournament on my home course, it would be in a longer layout that would hurt me because I don't drive far.

However, since I am not a PDGA member and don't play (m)any tournaments, I find the DGCR rating to be a useful tool in tracking my progress.