375ft to win a World Championship?

[BirdieMachine]

Birdie, for argument's sake, do me a favor. Or tell me the courses' layouts, and I'll do it. If a player automatically got a 2 on 90% of the holes at this year's Worlds that are 350' and under, what would their score have been?

So, now we're talking 375 max, but deadly at 325, plus the money 25 foot putt. And for the longer holes you have to assume that our player is deadly from 250 on the approach (which I think is a logical assumption). I don't know the course layouts, or I'd figure out the scores. The point is, I think you'll be surprised when you plug in the numbers.

Look at the top 10 players in the World and tell me which ones max out at 375.

Your issue is these Elite players are all accurate at 325. I'm not sure about Pauls numbers or birdie conversions on holes under 350. To beat these guys you would have to be more accurate and putt better considering they would have more birdie chances then you. It simply is not possible considering you would have to throw faster discs to get to certain holes and be as accurate as them throwing slower more accurate discs.

If they play a course where the the max length of the holes is 325 and under I might give your hypothetical player a chance. But it it simply not realistic.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

QB's wish they hit 99% from 100'.

Lol most thats true but GREAT ones do. They throw footballs through tires from futher out regularly. Im talking freak athletes though joe monatna style

 

[Halcón]

So, I plugged in my numbers to the Final 9 at Lemon Lake this year. Par was 36. Our hypothetical 375 max/deadly 325 player would have scored a 33 on the final nine holes.

Final actual scores were:

McBeth 29
Feldberg 28
Locastro 31
Schusterick 32

So it's not a stretch to say that 375 dude could have hung in nicely during these last holes. I have him getting birdie on holes 4, 7, and 8. He probably would birdied 9 too, but we'll say he missed the putt. And he may have squeeked out a birdie on hole 1 if he had an awesome drive. So, he possibly coul have gotten a 31 on the final 9. Same as Nikko and one better than Will.

So, would Mr. 375 have won this year's Worlds? I don't know. I don't know how he would have fared for the other rounds. Or what the distances are. He had a chance though. So I think what the Champ said still holds true, IF you can putt out of your mind, and have an insane approach game.

 

[BirdieMachine]

So, I plugged in my numbers to the Final 9 at Lemon Lake this year. Par was 36. Our hypothetical 375 max/deadly 325 player would have scored a 33 on the final nine holes.

Final actual scores were:

McBeth 29
Feldberg 28
Locastro 31
Schusterick 32

So it's not a stretch to say that 375 dude could have hung in nicely during these last holes. I have him getting birdie on holes 4, 7, and 8. He probably would birdied 9 too, but we'll say he missed the putt. And he may have squeeked out a birdie on hole 1 if he had an awesome drive. So, he possibly coul have gotten a 31 on the final 9. Same as Nikko and one better than Will.

So, would Mr. 375 have won this year's Worlds? I don't know. I don't know how he would have fared for the other rounds. Or what the distances are. He had a chance though. So I think what the Champ said still holds true, IF you can putt out of your mind, and have an insane approach game.

Dude you plugged the numbers in and he lost to all 4 yet you still say he has a chance over the other 6 rounds? :wall:

 

[Halcón]

Dude you plugged the numbers in and he lost to all 4 yet you still say he has a chance over the other 6 rounds? :wall:

No, I said I don't know. I don't know what course was used for the finals, and I know they usually reconfigure holes for the last round. It's entirely possible that the courses played in earlier rounds played to his strengths more, and he would have had a cushion going in to the finals.

I'm sure someone will come along in this thread and post the layouts for every Worlds round. Then we'll see if your little :wall: was warranted. Just because you lose doesn't mean you don't have a chance.

 

[iacas]

So it's not a stretch to say that 375 dude could have hung in nicely during these last holes. I have him getting birdie on holes 4, 7, and 8. He probably would birdied 9 too, but we'll say he missed the putt. And he may have squeeked out a birdie on hole 1 if he had an awesome drive. So, he possibly coul have gotten a 31 on the final 9. Same as Nikko and one better than Will.

Doesn't that assume that the player has the lines he needs to throw 375? A "max distance line" is very different than, say, a tunnel shot.

I don't think there's any real chance at all that in 2013 a 325-375 foot player could win. Putting is too easy in disc golf. He can't make up enough ground.

The only way he could win is a series of 325' wide open holes that let the mythical "super accurate at 325 AND the best putter ever." He'd birdie every hole and have a chance. Of course, everyone else would probably be doing that too, so…

I'm not sure what the golf equivalent is, but it'd be something like a player who drives the ball 235 yards but putts really well. Except like with disc golf, you can't putt well enough in order to make up the difference when you can't even reach some of the par fours. In disc golf you can't make up the difference because one-putting is relatively easy; in golf you can't make up the difference because one-putting is quite difficult.

 

[Halcón]

This is why DG needs stats. So we can argue about stuff like this with facts to back it up. Pros don't birdie every 325' hole. Again, like Will, sometimes they get 7...or whatever.

 

[BirdieMachine]

@Iacas, it would be like Corey Pavin winning the US Open against todays pros at Bethpage Black.

This thread is just ridiculous. I'm sure Climo made that statement in the 90's and was throwing a Cobra 375. You know the saying would hold up today, You need to throw a faster Mid 375 to win Worlds. But also throw 450 with Distance Drivers.

 

[iacas]

This is why DG needs stats. So we can argue about stuff like this with facts to back it up. Pros don't birdie every 325' hole. Again, like Will, sometimes they get 7...or whatever.

You're right, they don't, but your mythical guy would, and it would take every hole being 325' and wide open for your player to win Worlds.

Otherwise, he has NO chance. I don't think you need stats to show you that.

@Iacas, it would be like Corey Pavin winning the US Open against todays pros at Bethpage Black.

Pretty much (with Corey playing his 1994 equipment).

 

[Streets]

This thread= :wall:

 

[Dan Ensor]

You're right, they don't, but your mythical guy would, and it would take every hole being 325' and wide open for your player to win Worlds.

Otherwise, he has NO chance. I don't think you need stats to show you that.

Didn't Climo suggest this mythical guy? And he never said the guy was perfectly accurate. Why aren't we assuming he's averagely accurate for a World Champion class player?

 

[BirdieMachine]

You're right, they don't, but your mythical guy would, and it would take every hole being 325' and wide open for your player to win Worlds.

Otherwise, he has NO chance. I don't think you need stats to show you that.



Pretty much (with Corey playing his 1994 equipment).

Maybe even worse then that since he'd be unable to reach par 3's that everyone could. Corey Pavin with Hickory Shafts and Featheries.

 

[Halcón]

Why are we assuming that my guy needs a wide open course to compete? Are there not actual players who carve the woods, yet can't throw 400? Are there not actual players whose upshots are so good that they can 3 longer holes just like the top guys? Or players who putt lights out?

 

[BirdieMachine]

Didn't Climo suggest this mythical guy? And he never said the guy was perfectly accurate. Why aren't we assuming he's averagely accurate for a World Champion class player?

We also don't know when he said it. Could be a Cobra 375, not Blizzard Boss.

 

[iacas]

Didn't Climo suggest this mythical guy? And he never said the guy was perfectly accurate.

I think someone else said he suggested it in the 1990s.

And for all we know, Ken Climo may have once said it. So maybe he didn't.

 

[NatiBuckeye]

Online distance argument

For the sake of this thread I'd say 15% or more of players in my area throw 375+ max d. It's not crazy anymore.

 

[SlickNick]

Our hypothetical player can throw 375 accurately. He can also throw 400 for max D, maybe 410-420 if he really pushes it. But his money zone is 350-375.

He also putts lights out. His approach game is rock solid. Getting out of trouble is no trouble at all. And ice runs through his veins. This is why he's World Champ.

And why in real life, the guys who can throw 500 don't always win.

In real life the guy who can throw over 500 usually does win........... and his name is Paul McBeth

 

[tomdizzlefizzle]

Sarah h is a world champ. Close thread

 

[spicybird6]

How about women open players?

What do you guys think you need to win worlds

 

[Halcón]

How about women open players?

What do you guys think you need to win worlds

300 max / 250 deadly. Makes all putts. The top women usually hover around par, so keep that in mind.

There are only so many women that can throw over 300 feet anyway. The skill gap is much greater in FPO than MPO.