2014 United States Disc Golf Championship

[bhadella]

Greenwell said "about 28 feet" on the live broadcast. Not sure how accurate that was.

That's pretty close. It was a full step or two into the circle.

 

[tbird888]

That's pretty close. It was a full step or two into the circle.

As automatic as he is from inside the circle, it was painful to see him miss.

 

[sidewinder22]

Greenwell said "about 28 feet" on the live broadcast. Not sure how accurate that was.

Thanks, I didn't catch the live broadcast, can't wait to see the other holes not in the McFly vid. I thought it was inside automatic range for him. Was that the first time he didn't 2 hole #1 all tourney?

 

[Ryan P.]

I'm still perplexed by Wysocki. He got 2nd place like 2 years ago. So people saying not his style of play doesn't completely make sense entirely. Anyway.

So why was there such a drastic point spread from the last few years as far as score is concerned? I kow they changes some teepads, did they change or make the OB more difficult too?

I think his style of play is conducive to inconsistent play. His 2nd place finish a few years ago makes total sense. I expect him to have great rounds on Winthrop, and poor rounds. Really, I expect it to fluctuate even from hole to hole. But I don't expect him to play well in this tournament because of all the OB.

If you look at his average place/round ratings in this tournament vs. his average place/round ratings in other majors (with a comparative field size), I would expect it to be lower at Winthrop.

But that's all theory-I haven't done any research on that, and if the numbers say I'm wrong then call me on it.

 

[WhiteyBear]

Depends on how much of lead, how late in the 4th quarter, TO's left, and how much faith you have in your run game and defense vs their offense. If Andrew Luck is on the other side and I have Peyton Manning with a 3-7 point lead and I need a first down to seal the deal, I'd leave the ball in Manning's hands to throw over running with Monte Ball. Same thing the other way with trusting Luck over Richardson to seal the deal with Manning waiting on the other side to get the ball back.

A better analogy of "aggressive" play....

Your football team is up by 2 points, you have the ball, you are at your own 10 yard line and there are 30 seconds left and it's first down. Instead of assuming "victory formation", you decide to go 4 straight "hail mary" passing attempts in order to get more points. You go incomplete all 4 times, turnover on downs, and lose the game by 1 point.

That's overly aggressive play.

I don't think Johne was being overly aggressive, or even just plain aggressive, he had made that shot the last 3 times in a row (par, bird, bird). He's one of the best players in the world, he can do this blindfolded. Of course he's going to have the confidence to make that throw, and make it again after a bad OB, and again, and again. That's how he kept his mind straight on 18, he has short memory and you can't let the last shot get to you.

Overly aggressive would've been to ace run each time, aggressive would've been to go for the left side each time. Passive would've been to go way right, and overly passive would've been to lay it up.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Just because you've converted fourth down a few times in the game doesn't mean you should try it again when you lead by 2 with 4th and 1 on your own 20 with a minute left.

 

[1978]

A better analogy of "aggressive" play....

Your football team is up by 2 points, you have the ball, you are at your own 10 yard line and there are 30 seconds left and it's first down. Instead of assuming "victory formation", you decide to go 4 straight "hail mary" passing attempts in order to get more points. You go incomplete all 4 times, turnover on downs, and lose the game by 1 point.

That's overly aggressive play.

I don't think Johne was being overly aggressive, or even just plain aggressive, he had made that shot the last 3 times in a row (par, bird, bird). He's one of the best players in the world, he can do this blindfolded. Of course he's going to have the confidence to make that throw, and make it again after a bad OB, and again, and again. That's how he kept his mind straight on 18, he has short memory and you can't let the last shot get to you.

Overly aggressive would've been to ace run each time, aggressive would've been to go for the left side each time. Passive would've been to go way right, and overly passive would've been to lay it up.

Lol, your description of Agressive is exactly what he did. Regardless of his previous achievements, he went for it on a known blow up hole. An infamous hole for blow ups. Any amount of logic would say lay up with a 4 stroke lead...(or 2pt lead in FB) Throw the easiest shots so you can throw the easiest shots on 18. The collective disbelief of the crowd to see Johne's disc go any where near the green was palpable. It was such an obvious clear choice to lay up. At worst PMB goes 2-3 All you have to do is go 4-5 to tie and put all the pressure on the other player. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Saturday Johne& PMB died by it, last year, Will & Barry died by it, and the year before, Nikko died by the sword. In all three years, poor decisions to bury the knife backfired on a course famous for enticing players to be agressive. 2 more tricked, cant wait to see what silly person throws it all away in the last 5 holes next year.

 

[BgWvDave]

You're a junior staffer. The PDGA brass said the call was wrong, he should have moved it or at lest played a provisional. Deal with it.

I thought you would post some asinine BS such as this. Junior staff is laughable coming from a videographer. The bottom of the totem pole. PDGA Brass huh? you are always really good at name dropping so why don't you post exactly who you spoke to about your first hand knowledge of the incident?

I will tell DGCR and anyone else reading this that your information is dead wrong.

The truth of the matter was that neither marshal made a call there and as we were deliberating on the call Paul McBeth decided that he would throw his shot without moving the chair which took us out of the picture. The PDGA brass was on site as Paul was releasing his shot and his initial assessment of the situation was that it was best that Paul did not move the chair. So for anyone to say that anyone got the call wrong is plain misinformation. After the round as I was discussing the situation with the "PDGA Brass" we did identify the rule and the chair was able to be removed but the plain and simple fact is the Marshall staff which I was a part of and the "PDGA Brass" which I worked with ALL weekend all agreed that more time was needed to come to a proper ruling.

JT you ego is absolutely ridiculous and for you to get on here and make the ridiculous posts on this matter are shameful. You are doing Innova, the USDGC's and the PDGA a total disservice and I certainly will not stand aside and let you talk like you are the authority when you have no idea what you are talking about. I have been running tournaments and volunteering for the USDGC's longer than you have been in game. My friends are the ones that make the USDGC's what it is from the top to the bottom. You little buddy are a joke.

 

[luckless_pedestrian]

The thing that struck me with JohnE's blowup was how quickly he threw the second and third discs. I'm sure the urge is to just get it over with but he really jumped right into them. I'd be interested to know how he feels about that now -- does he feel like he rushed those shots. But then to come back and *crush* the drive on 18 was so impressive.

And I'll tell you who I want to see more of in big tournaments is Nate Sexton. In the round I saw with him in the live broadcast he really seemed to manage the course well -- playing it safe when everyone else wasn't.

 

[sidewinder22]

The thing that struck me with JohnE's blowup was how quickly he threw the second and third discs. I'm sure the urge is to just get it over with but he really jumped right into them. I'd be interested to know how he feels about that now -- does he feel like he rushed those shots. But then to come back and *crush* the drive on 18 was so impressive.

He did the same thing 3rd round on 888 right after taking a 2 stroke lead throwing 3 consecutive OBs as fast as possible. Then after pausing a second makes a decent throw. He probably practices that way, but to me it's a flaw of playing angry/hastily.

 

[Shocker]

When Paul nailed that birdie putt on 17 I thought he had it in the bag. I can't believe he missed that putt in the playoff.

My heart sank for John E.....Damn that sucked!!! I'm happy for Will, he needed it.

 

[oddjob]

The thing that struck me with JohnE's blowup was how quickly he threw the second and third discs. I'm sure the urge is to just get it over with but he really jumped right into them. I'd be interested to know how he feels about that now -- does he feel like he rushed those shots. But then to come back and *crush* the drive on 18 was so impressive.

And I'll tell you who I want to see more of in big tournaments is Nate Sexton. In the round I saw with him in the live broadcast he really seemed to manage the course well -- playing it safe when everyone else wasn't.

Johne went fast on 888 Friday I think, 2 obs and a hazard off the tee. Thought he should've collected himself first.

 

[BgWvDave]

Johne went fast on 888 Friday I think, 2 obs and a hazard off the tee. Thought he should've collected himself first.

this is correct. 2 rushed Tee shots that turned over and then the roller never made it back in bounds so he plaid from the hazard for his 9. You know I think the fast play is just John E's style. he has won plenty with it so I can't really fault him for going with his gut as that same gut is what has made him so successful over the years.

when he made that putt on 14 and ran to the tee of 15 on Saturday the emotion was pouring out of him. it was amazing to see a guy of his age running around like a kid. It was awesome to see and the crowd was going nuts for it.

 

[TheUnderdog]

On #17 I'd like to see a OS low glide disc like a Zone RHBH on an anny flex line. Anyone see this as a viable option?

I played the weekend before and last year in the US Am Dubs as well as played casually when the ropes are up several times. That is the shot I threw every time. I have a REALLY over stable Proto star champ Roc3 that I release with anny aimed at the middle of the green. If I get spin on it, it goes to right side landing flat, otherwise it flexes out and falls quickly back toward the pin. I parked it for a drop in after my partner missed the green into the wind this year to go to -2 with that exact flight. I've seen a lot of shots go in the water just because the disc thrown had a lot of glide/float to it and were thrown flat into the wind which lifted them and they just float all the way out into the lake. In my playing experience with this hole I would never throw a glidey/lid/putter type disc due to the downhill slope, short distance hole that you have to carry all the way to the target, and constant headwind that lifts throws. I feel comfortable with something that drops quickly and fights the headwind. But I'm not a pro just my experience and $.02.

 

[sidewinder22]

Did Will foot fault the last putt?

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

I'd be interested to know how he feels about that now -- does he feel like he rushed those shots.

 

[JTdisc]

Great tournament. It was nice to see Will win, and to see that McBeast still has legit competition.

I watched a lot of the live coverage and just can't believe how smooth Paul looks most of the time. Shusterick slow and steady this time seemed like he won by making the fewest mistakes.

The best part of the coverage for me was seeing JohnE on the lead card for most of it. He seems like such a fun loving guy and a good sport. I can't count the number of times I saw him fist bumping his competitors or cheering them after a good shot. It's great to see people with good attitudes out there on the course. Making it to a sudden death playoff is a pretty awesome finish for JohnE.

 

[Kp0c]

Did Will foot fault the last putt?

Haha... I actually told myself the exact same thing when I watched it... I say he did and I say it's impossible for Paul to call him on it.
Funny part is that he did not loose balance, he simply never showed balance and moved forward out of excitement.

 

[sidewinder22]

Haha... I actually told myself the exact same thing when I watched it... I say he did and I say it's impossible for Paul to call him on it.
Funny part is that he did not loose balance, he simply never showed balance and moved forward out of excitement.

It'd be like trying to ice the kicker on an extra point, unless he already had a warning before. Might have even worked to make him re-putt at the rate putts were going in though.

 

[Mr. Butlertron]

Did Will foot fault the last putt?

WWND? (What Would Nikko Do)