Feldberg on McFlysoHigh

[WhiteyBear]

Honest question for those saying "protect the kids/edit the cursing" - are we to understand you to simply want the curses bleeped, but the rants and poor sportsmanship to stay in?

Or is it that you want to have the cursing edited out and any rants or chair slamming, bag kicking edited out as well.

And for the record, if the PDGA decides to limit the UNPAID videographers on-site to only those who agree to mute and edit players to be in a better light than they actually acted... I would hope that all of them would just stop video'ing. Let the PDGA pay for camera operators & editors and see what that does to the purse at events.

My position wasn't started as a "think of the children" campaign, it was merely to state that there should be higher ground taken, on both sides.

Bleep them, mute them, fill in the curses with ambient sounds (not hard at all to do), whatever.

Look at the video/media teams that are actually paid to do their jobs now, or are affiliated with specific companies. The reason you don't hear their commentators curse is because it's not professional.

I'm not saying get rid of everything that isn't "kosher", all I'm saying is that there are some things that don't need to be left in edited video. We pick and choose things as it is already, this is no different. You wouldn't leave in a short segment of a female pro bending over her bag, or a guy peeing on a tree in the background that you accidentally caught on camera, that would be pretty unprofessional. So obviously there are already unspoken things that get left out whenever you have hours of video to go through.

This went from a professional argument, to it seeming like a "think of our youth" in a satirical mindset, which was not my argument. My argument is to keep PDGA-related event video family friendly, and you can still show raw human emotion (even Nikko emotion) without crossing lines.

And again, for the umpteenth time, there is a difference between someone who sought out approval from the PDGA to capture video at an event, and someone who just went and took video on their camera phone. Huge...distinct...difference.

 

[bfowler]

This isn't a moral decision on protecting the children. It's a business decision. The problem the PDGA has is that since they don't have the revenue to properly film the tournaments they count on independent outfits like McFly. They don't have to have them but the added exposure is good and they do a fantastic job and it's free.

The problem with that relationship is they don't have any ground rules for them as it relates to protecting their brand. The PDGA is a brand, just like the NFL or the NBA. (I know there are difference but I'm talking about this in terms of building a brand.)

The NFL controls it's content very tightly because it's very important in how its brand is perceived and thus sold to the public. It's up to the PDGA to decide how best to deliver content concerning their sponsored tournaments. Sponsors like Innova have a say to because they have a financial relationship with the PDGA.

The problem here is the PDGA is too loose with it's rules or lack thereof. If they think it's not a good image to have pros cussing at their events they probably have the legal right to make media edit them. I wonder what the legal agreement even is between the ownership of video/audio of their events is?

It needs to be spelled out, if it's not already. The opinion of any of us doesn't matter except to the extent that it pressures the PDGA or Innova one way or the other with the customers buying power. If Innova started seeing the demo of kids buying discs take a nosedive and somehow found it had to do with how a professional acts on the course their would be changed overnight.

The only opinion that matters is the PDGA and their sponsors. If they think letting some cussing by players is no big deal and it doesn't affect their brand then that's how they going to go.

Personally, I could care less but if I'm in charge there would be strict regulations of what is and isn't allowed. I'd want disc golf to be as fan/family friendly as possible and I'd do everything to project and maintain that image because I think that is what will progress the sport best and also what will attract the most/best sponsors, people, fans and revenue.

 

[AndyJB]

This.

If Dave doesn't want children exposed to that kind of language, it's kind of funny that he's attacking McFly for not editing it from his videos, but he's not calling out the pros, including himself, to work on increasing their vocabulary so he doesn't have to edit it in the first place.

Why shelter children from it in videos if they're going to hear it in person? It doesn't really solve anything.

Tbirds post should have straight up shut down this thread. Can't find a single hole in this side of the arguement. Wish Feldberg could read this post, have a diet soda and calm the hell down.

 

[elmexdela]

if you are this hyper sensitive to speaking exploitatives i would hate to see how you react when serious issues arise.

 

[in4d]

This.

If Dave doesn't want children exposed to that kind of language, it's kind of funny that he's attacking McFly for not editing it from his videos, but he's not calling out the pros, including himself, to work on increasing their vocabulary so he doesn't have to edit it in the first place.

Why shelter children from it in videos if they're going to hear it in person? It doesn't really solve anything.

This

 

[Anon]

if you are this hyper sensitive to speaking exploitatives i would hate to see how you react when serious issues arise.

sensitive people gonna' be sensitive.

 

[heartman]

Supposedly Feldberg got in trouble for his behavior in some tourney videos from his sponsor(s) ...


... supposedly ... but wouldn't surprise me at all if that was true.

 

[SpikeHyzer]

Hey Feldberg....go buy a helmet.

You know how almost all women have that one friend that has to live in drama? That's Feldberg in relation to Disc Golf.

 

[bballr4567]

I think its dumb as hell when Feldberg is known as one of the hotheads on the pro side and has cussed multiple times at events etc to call out one of the very few people who put in a tremendous amount of work to get their work (the DG pros) out to people who want to see it.

Be the first example and work on it yourself Feldberg. CALL the other pros on it when it happens.

 

[DG_Before_Breakfast]

I think its dumb as hell when Feldberg is known as one of the hotheads on the pro side and has cussed multiple times at events etc to call out one of the very few people who put in a tremendous amount of work to get their work (the DG pros) out to people who want to see it.

Be the first example and work on it yourself Feldberg. CALL the other pros on it when it happens.

Your group is Feldberg, Brown, Locastro...*Going to be a long day*...Baldwin...*well that helps*

 

[nolangherity]

man I hope this thread is still around when I get home to my gold plated **** talk computer

 

[biscoe]

Facts:
1. Dave loves the game/sport and would like for it to grow. It is in his best interest for it to do so.
2. Marty loves the game/sport and would like for it to grow. It is in his best interest for it to do so.
3. Both of these gentlemen would like to see disc golf appeal to the broadest possible audience. It is in their best interest for it to do so.

which leads us to:
4. Video with cursing is not going to appeal to the broadest possible audience thereby not contributing as much to the growth as it possibly could. Whether one person or one thousand are turned off by it there are going to be people turned off.

Should the players moderate their outbursts? of course.
Should videographers seek to present the game in the best possible light?... I would argue yes given the idea that they are working towards growth.

It is not an either/or proposition- positive change can come from both sides.

 

[runningDoc]

I've seen Tiger Woods play live during his heyday in the mid 2000s. He cursed up a storm even on good shots. A lot of the other top PGA pros are notorious for having filthy mouths. didn't seem to stop the sport from exploding in growth then.

I've been to NBA and NHL games near the court and datum the NBA players made Tiger Woods look like a choir boy (just YELLING obscenities), the hockey players swore up a storm too (hockey is weird because you can see and hear the players jawing at eachother even higher up in the stands from the ice).

 

[mashnut]

Facts:
1. Dave loves the game/sport and would like for it to grow. It is in his best interest for it to do so.
2. Marty loves the game/sport and would like for it to grow. It is in his best interest for it to do so.
3. Both of these gentlemen would like to see disc golf appeal to the broadest possible audience. It is in their best interest for it to do so.

which leads us to:
4. Video with cursing is not going to appeal to the broadest possible audience thereby not contributing as much to the growth as it possibly could. Whether one person or one thousand are turned off by it there are going to be people turned off.

Should the players moderate their outbursts? of course.
Should videographers seek to present the game in the best possible light?... I would argue yes given the idea that they are working towards growth.

It is not an either/or proposition- positive change can come from both sides.

I'm not totally convinced that it's in McFly's best interest to portray every player in the best possible light, nor that the way to "grow the sport" is to whitewash every little bit of negativity out of it. Every other sport has players with major emotional outbursts, and those players drive a lot of the popularity of those sports. Look at how many page views ESPN gets on articles about Yasiel Puig, Richard Sherman, Ron Artest etc. A video showing what happens after the bad shots is going to end up getting a lot more views than a video showing nothing but the disc golf and some happy high fives. Obviously it's a different story if you're making a promotional or instructional video, but I think a lot of people tune in to these tournament videos not only to see the disc golf, but to see how the players interact and react on the course.

I think Dave's stance comes from a lot more selfish place than you're giving him credit for. I think he's worried about his own brand but doesn't want to have to take ownership for that himself.

 

[Streets]

I'm not totally convinced that it's in McFly's best interest to portray every player in the best possible light, nor that the way to "grow the sport" is to whitewash every little bit of negativity out of it. Every other sport has players with major emotional outbursts, and those players drive a lot of the popularity of those sports. Look at how many page views ESPN gets on articles about Yasiel Puig, Richard Sherman, Ron Artest etc. A video showing what happens after the bad shots is going to end up getting a lot more views than a video showing nothing but the disc golf and some happy high fives. Obviously it's a different story if you're making a promotional or instructional video, but I think a lot of people tune in to these tournament videos not only to see the disc golf, but to see how the players interact and react on the course.

I think Dave's stance comes from a lot more selfish place than you're giving him credit for. I think he's worried about his own brand but doesn't want to have to take ownership for that himself.

Somebody gets it.

 

[Jukeshoe]

Ah don't ****ing kid yourselves. Everyone loves a little foul language now and then, at the very least.

That's why every ****ing movie and tv show out there uses as much cussing as they can get away with: people eat that **** up like it's ****ing going out of style.

:| :|

 

[biscoe]

I'm not totally convinced that it's in McFly's best interest to portray every player in the best possible light, nor that the way to "grow the sport" is to whitewash every little bit of negativity out of it. Every other sport has players with major emotional outbursts, and those players drive a lot of the popularity of those sports. Look at how many page views ESPN gets on articles about Yasiel Puig, Richard Sherman, Ron Artest etc. A video showing what happens after the bad shots is going to end up getting a lot more views than a video showing nothing but the disc golf and some happy high fives. Obviously it's a different story if you're making a promotional or instructional video, but I think a lot of people tune in to these tournament videos not only to see the disc golf, but to see how the players interact and react on the course.

I think Dave's stance comes from a lot more selfish place than you're giving him credit for. I think he's worried about his own brand but doesn't want to have to take ownership for that himself.

I didn't say it is in Marty's best interest to show each player in the best light nor to whitewash the excitement out, i said to show the sport in the best light- it's easy enough to tell someone is pissed without hearing audible cursing- basically if they would edit it out for SportsCenter then edit it out for video.

I've known Dave for a long time and have never met anyone to whom the promotion of the game of disc golf means more. This doesn't mean he is not his own worst enemy sometimes.

 

[notapro]

Like this?!?!?!

 

[KDFrosty]

I've had this EXACT conversation with Dave after recording a tourney round with Wysocki, Bradley Williams, Joe Rovere, and himself.

While I enjoy watching and hearing the reaction of the pros after their good and bad shots, I think it's generally in the best interest of everyone if those moments are edited and/or muted out. IMO it's just portraying the sport, golfer, and videographer in a bad light if things like this slip through the cracks and make it to the final published vid. It only takes a quick mark on the recording and an extra 30 seconds to edit this out, and shouldnt be a problem if you're cutting from throw to throw rather quickly.

The majority of pro players I've met, both men and women, cuss on the course at some point. It doesnt matter what image they've portrayed, or how many majors or NTs theyve won....it happens. It competitive nature for most.

 

[HiFi]

/yawn