The Brinster Hop

[HyzerUniBomber]

I don't know exactly why I've moved away from it... but it seems to promote a very nice lag/timing that shifts hard into the plant foot.

Apologize for this less than great footage - but I'm seeing results that are at least on par with a really well postured "standard x-step". I threw this teebird about 400' from a really ugly spot in lumpy grass.



I think the fact that you're hopping forward off the front foot keeps you looking forward and more likely to avoid opening too soon. It's like a built in function of hopping forward that you won't try to get the disc back too soon - and by the time you're weighting into the plant foot, you're at the top of the backswing.



I'm not poo-poohing a traditional x-step... but the truth is, that for me - I have to have a nice tee-pad to drive forward off my back foot or I will often NOT generate much power in my hips. With the hop, it's like you get the power from gravity so you don't have to push as much or any.

Just some ramblings.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

I used to do this more but everything else about my throw was garbage. Been thinking the same though not easy to work on in winter lol.

 

[Consult20]

HUB, your timing is off -- I actually did the Brinster hop for a time and timing is key. It looks like you're not taking full advantage of the forward momentum, your swing is late. Glad you posted this, it's an interesting technique and Brinster has ideal timing with it.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Yeah, it seems like he times the disc coming forward with the full weighting of the plant - and is more like a "swedish"

I am trying to get that disc deeper into my right pec - and the timing is definitely delayed.

 

[Consult20]

In a nutshell your reach back is late, I have to run for now but when the timing is just right you can feel it. It's one fluid motion, your throw looks like two independent motions. To me it's identical timing as with an x step plant, just with the hop for more forward drive into the plant foot.

 

[Putt for D'oh]

With the hop, it's like you get the power from gravity so you don't have to push as much or any.

Thanks for posting the vid. I am in the process of a complete nuke and i'm really TRYING to keep everything at a standstill right now but hard not to want to do a walk/run up on the tee when i'm throwing a round.
I had in mind when I felt like I was ready to add in the movement this was the direction I wanted to go. I had seen an older shorter vid (may have been taken from a single drive from this vid actually) but I wanted to have more footage to see.
The concept is simple though. The change in center of gravity IS a gravity assist. The penultimate step common in jumping events in track, and especially javelin as well as the crowhop in baseball outfielders, and the height of the baseball pitchers mound.
It all has to do with a quick elevation change up then down your center of gravity.

My main issue is the footwork is backwards from 'natural' since it is RHBH or relative to throwing more traditional objects left handed which I suck at.

 

[Putt for D'oh]

Here is a pretty great side by side form critique of a crow hop for an outfielder. The whole vid is worth watching and trying to compare with a Brinster hop, would be great to do the same side by side like this.



The part of the vid i fast forwarded to in the link is where he is talking about stuff that is directly related to the timing of throwing a disc, with the obvious differences of where/how the reach back is done, but check about what he says about the cocking of the arm of Ankeil vs the kid and the timing. Cocking the arm and reachback and driving off of the rear foot all should be very similar timing.

 

[lyleoross]

I think you have to be under 40 to do this. Any hopping jumping and throwing a disc routine is way beyond us old guys. That said, why don't pitchers run up or jump up or hop up when they throw?

 

[sidewinder22]

Most the top distance guys actually hop. Even McBeth does on distance shots. I think Will S and Stokely are some of the rare guys that never hop.

As you figured out, it's easy momentum using gravity to change and accelerate your weight massively as you go from weightless to more than you weigh. There is a ton of centripetal force when you compress and leverage against the ground. It also makes it easy to pivot into the backswing without your feet on the ground and keeps your weight more stacked upright together(feet together) rather than spreading it out by taking a long x-step and leaning your spine horizontally.

Brinster actually explains his thoughts on it here:


I would have used Brinster on the first part of this video, but didn't have a side view, but GG is just as well:

 

[sidewinder22]

I think you have to be under 40 to do this. Any hopping jumping and throwing a disc routine is way beyond us old guys. That said, why don't pitchers run up or jump up or hop up when they throw?

Pitchers have a raised mound already and also have to keep their back foot on the rubber in windup.

JohnE McCray and Patrick Brown hop.

 

[MichaelWebster]

With the slo-mo you can definitely see that his front foot comes down before the release... clear foot fault.

 

[Pbmercil]

I think you have to be under 40 to do this. Any hopping jumping and throwing a disc routine is way beyond us old guys. That said, why don't pitchers run up or jump up or hop up when they throw?

A) I don't think brinster is exactly a spring chicken himself

B) because they aren't allowed. Outfielders do because they can.

 

[Atvizory2000]

With the slo-mo you can definitely see that his front foot comes down before the release... clear foot fault.

HUH??

 

[Putt for D'oh]

I think you have to be under 40 to do this. Any hopping jumping and throwing a disc routine is way beyond us old guys. That said, why don't pitchers run up or jump up or hop up when they throw?

Watch a cricket pitcher... Er... Bowler

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...pps-delivers-pitches-after-hopping-off-rubber via @CBSSports

Generally speaking it is very hard to legally hop as a pitcher. Secondly coming down the front of the mound has the same effect.

Sheustrick gets an incredible vertical change in his center of gravity without the hop. I haven't really studied pro's videos but what I've seen of will he compresses down and braces low in a way I would say is much much harder for the over 40's than a hop.

 

[RobA]

I think you have to be under 40 to do this. Any hopping jumping and throwing a disc routine is way beyond us old guys. That said, why don't pitchers run up or jump up or hop up when they throw?

Speak for yourself, lol. I am eligible for grandmasters this year and I do a hop instead of the x-step. It is much easier for me and I get better results.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Masters... checking in! 41 in May.

 

[sidewinder22]

Gangloff is a Grandmaster:


Moser and his two hop:

 

[clard]

With the slo-mo you can definitely see that his front foot comes down before the release... clear foot fault.

This is an appropriate comment in ANY thread on this site.

I have always liked a slight hop, and when the timing is good I can really feel the weight slam down on the front foot and send everything else rocketing through.

 

[RobA]

Gangloff is a Grandmaster:


Moser and his two hop:

Thank you for posting this sidewinder. Moser's is the first one I have seen that is similar to my hop.

 

[Consult20]

Gangloff is a Grandmaster:


Moser and his two hop:

Sw, just to clarify, Gangloff does the two hop, Moser just does the one hop...

When bombing ultimate disc throws that's what I did, the two hop, so coming to disc golf it felt natural. But I stopped doing it to simplify things and work on other areas. I found myself getting too much forward momentum and wasn't bracing enough so I had to slow everything down (I do get slightly "airborne" with the x step though).